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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 here on the airport

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who has announced are applying there

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have been found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged changed the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the GameChanger radio network

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a GRA

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to black with Jimmy judge on the

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for the masses Tenace Wednesday June 3rd

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155 days into the new year only 211 days

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we are live we are live from a bunker

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a bunker that is somewhere in the middle

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that's right beautiful downtown Burbank

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south

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but it says fade to black for kjc are

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the game-changer network and kg are aids

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of planets I'm yours Jimmy Church what

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is crackin everybody how you doing

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alright

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slight mood change not only round here

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but across the country can you feel it

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that's right

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it's because tonight's very special

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guest grant Cameron yeah mad and Cameron

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is here man time to get our feet back on

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the ground can't grant Cameron is

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joining us and we are gonna cover all of

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his latest research tonight and then we

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will jump into all the UFO you ap et

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acronyms and the news of those acronyms

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around the world and tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long yeah we've had a lot of open

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lines this week looking forward to that

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I've taken a lot of phone call if we go

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back we go back to last like Thursday

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night to today today's Wednesday oh man

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I have taken hundreds of phone calls

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hundreds of phone calls feel like the

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operator in a new movie at Amazon man

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okay all right all right yeah grant

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Cameron is here so get ready for that

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he's gonna join us at the bottom of the

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hour let's get some things out of the

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way this is fade to black you can follow

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me on twitter at Jay Church radio follow

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me right there on twitter at a church

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radio hashtag f2b is the sandbox on

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twitter hashtag f2b Q is fade to black

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questions I just looked up UFO tweets

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trying to stir trouble they trying to

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trying to trying to light the fires

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right there with a picture of Bambi meow

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with a picture of carnations you guys

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it's it's true though isn't it it's

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really true it doesn't take anything

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Olivia just posted a picture of I Dream

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of Jeannie a gif and even that will

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incite emotions today yeah okay all

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right we're email is a Jimmy at Jimmy

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Church radio.com okay any questions or

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comments to post them to hashtag f2b q

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grant cameron is here lots of questions

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for you and you can post them there you

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can also pop them up in the email if

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you're over you know we broadcast all

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over the place if you're over on youtube

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hello everybody if you've got a question

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over on youtube i guess put it in all

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caps one of our moderators will see it

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and then maybe get it in here to me I'm

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just trying to think of a way for

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everybody to get engaged tonight and of

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course we have not only Twitter we have

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the chat rooms we have one over at

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Spreaker we have one over at k grea the

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planet and of course our sandbox and you

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can get everything going and I try to

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stay on top of it it's gonna be a busy

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night on the show and I always look

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forward to having Grant with us so stay

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tuned he will be with us at the bottom

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of the hour right now I do want you to

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get your immune system boosted and that

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was the time to do it

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reports to today about numbers going

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back up here in the United States man so

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there's only one thing to do there's

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how you doing oh man what's better the

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what is better Thai tea Thai because

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it's tasty no doubt tasty but the smell

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of coffee right breaking news breaking

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news you haven't heard I don't know

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where you have been today but all four

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former officers involved in George

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Floyd's murder have now been formally

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charged during a live press conference

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today by Minnesota AG Keith Ellison

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Derek Chauvin who pressed his knee in to

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Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes had

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previously been charged with

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third-degree murder and second-degree

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manslaughter the new second-degree

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murder charge announced earlier today

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says that he killed Floyd without intent

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in the course of committing assault in

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the third degree

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Thomas Lane and Al J Alexander Kuhn who

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helped restrain Floyd and Toto who stood

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near the officers were not initially

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charged lane 37 years old Kuhn 26 years

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are now charged with aiding and abetting

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second-degree murder and aiding and

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abetting second-degree manslaughter

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second-degree murder and aiding and

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abetting second-degree murder are

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punishable by up to 40 years in prison

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manslaughter and aiding and abetting

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platform President Trump is followed by

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more than 1.5 million snapchat users

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understand something the news that I now

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I just present the news I just resent

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that I report the news its vetted

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information I go through it with one

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source to source three source BAM news

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right okay now this next news story is

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something you knew nothing about NASA is

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reporting now and I'm giving this to you

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half of it is after the fact

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that's right the news has already passed

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us so check this out NASA is reporting

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that at least five asteroids one two

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three four five five asteroids are

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flying towards Earth this week that's

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right four four four of the near-earth

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objects crews passed last night that's

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right and you didn't know about it

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because there are other news grabbing

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the headlines the 108 foot-wide 2020 kk7

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coasted bias at 34,000 miles an hour

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there's another one 20 20 KD for

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measuring 115 feet wide cruised by at

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yesterday's bunch the 140 foot for foot

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2020 KF shot past our planet at 24,000

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hour brought up the rear it was the last

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Rock two passes by yesterday and they

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all did it together it's not over though

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now this is the part of the breaking

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news that you need to be aware of

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because in a couple of days an asteroid

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potentially taller the New York's Empire

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State Building and the London Eye

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combined known as 2002 n & 4 it's gonna

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pass by the earth this Saturday June 6th

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trip on that right normally I'd like to

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stay on top of these things but hey the

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headlines are buried with other stuff

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now I want to let you know the star

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UFOs an artificial intelligence

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conference in Laughlin Nevada is going

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down November 5th through the 8th at the

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Aquarius Hotel and Casino I'm gonna be

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there speaking I'm gonna be speaking on

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a I get ready for that Reid is gonna be

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there or fade to black Cruz gonna be

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there Grant Cameron our guest tonight is

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gonna be there Paul hynek's gonna be

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there James Fox alan stivell Minh Syd

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Kohlberg and another dozen great

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speakers so I want you to go to

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radio.com disclosure fests one of the

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biggest events in the world what's going

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on on my birthday October 10th that is

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ok I want you to go to disclosure fest

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great speakers the vendors everything

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that's going on music yoga meditation

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right disclosure fest dot org let's get

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this show cracking happy birthday -

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today my man

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Peter tatran today 50 Slayers Kerry King

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today 36 Mott the hoople's Ian Hunter I

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had to double check this today that I

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went and watched a video for all the

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young dudes Ian Hunter

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81 years old Stereophonics frontman

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Kelly Jones today is 46 and Rita's

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favorite Suzi Quatro today 70 years old

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and leading up the pack today one of my

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favorite singers in the world

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Doro Pesch I she's just doro doro the

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queen of metal

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Doro Pesch today 56 years old member her

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band warlock he have at Doro Pesch 56

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years old on this day in history 1956 OT

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d rock-and-roll is banned in Santa Cruz

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California city authorities announced a

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total ban on rock-and-roll at public

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gatherings calling the music and I quote

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detrimental to both the health and

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morals of our youth and community end

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quote

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they banned them both the rock and the

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roll fader fact Rita are you listening

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philadelphia cream cheese was invented

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in New York that's right

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and it has never been produced in

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Philadelphia its name was an 1880s

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marketing strategy because at the time

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New York didn't make good cheese and

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Philadelphia was known for high quality

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dairy there you go

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tonight very special guest grant Cameron

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joins us we're gonna be covering all of

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his latest research he's an amazing

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amazing amazing researcher and we're

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gonna be covering all of the UFO UAP et

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news from around the world tomorrow

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night is another Fator night with open

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lines all night long let me hit this

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Nancy where'd you get this picture is

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that Italian food I'm trying to remember

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is that Italian food Wow trying to

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remember when that was couldn't've been

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I got a I'm trying to think that van

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Halen t-shirt I'm wearing and the

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bracelet so that's it it's not about a

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year ago Italian food here at the house

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I don't remember that going down was it

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good it looks good alright as I reported

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earlier in the breaking news all four X

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MPD officers involved in the murder of

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George Floyd have been charged and

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reports are now that they are all in

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custody now

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today was the first full day of normal

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television here in Los Angeles that's

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right instead of the live 24-hour news

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that took over every local news channels

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here in our city that was going on for

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the last week and I can only speak for

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myself but I feel a true sense of relief

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the protests will go on as they should

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but the looting has all but stopped and

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the negative side of

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everything has started to chill out oh

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yeah I say these things to you tonight

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because well because we are all

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Americans and we're all affected by

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these events of lawlessness that have

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occupied the media and the tense

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feelings that we all have when watching

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things just spin out of control

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hopefully we have move past the stupid

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stuff and we can now start to figure out

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a way forward the path we choose will be

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the right one one that involves all of

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us from individuals to the media artists

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politicians the community law

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enforcement every sector of our great

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nation our community this community

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probably understands all of this better

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than just about any group that you can

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think of you see we have wanted nothing

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but change disclosure and we are used to

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the fight all we do around here is

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questions

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the man and this community is made up of

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every type of person that is possible

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everybody is here everybody is welcome

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it doesn't matter what do you think

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about politics that is left on the table

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religion on the table music food your

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background none of that matters here

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none of it all we want here is to unite

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to be heard and to fight the good fight

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that is what we do and who we are and

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it's because of this our our welcoming

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nature our open-mindedness the way that

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we converse and talk and share ideas and

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our pursuit of secrets and knowledge and

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constantly chasing the man for answers

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it's because of that that we are all so

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greatly moved by the events over the

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last week leaving aside of course the

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traumatic situation that we've all been

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in for the last three or four months but

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now that the now that these four guys

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these four murders responsible for

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George Floyd now that they are in

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custody their mug shots are there for

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all of us to see right and some of the

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pressure now has been relieved and we

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can now start to move forward to real

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change and I think that's important we

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now have a lot of work in front of us

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nothing has gone away because we still

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have to rebuild an entire world's

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economy we still have to get our kids

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back in school who we still have

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mortgage and rent and bills and a job to

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think about we have to deal with the

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trials of these XM PD officers we also

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have and I don't know if you guys know

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this we have a presidential election

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coming up and of course with all of that

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we have our continuing efforts to answer

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the questions about an ET presence here

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on earth and that quest for knowledge so

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tonight we have grant Cameron with us

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one of the great minds in our community

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and he joins us right in the middle of

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everything that we are all dealing with

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and although we'll be talking about all

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of the great subjects that he's

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constantly researching he's also just

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like you it's gonna be interesting to

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get his take on the sea of change that

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this planet is currently dealing with

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one of the funnest things that I can do

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is well is when I get to sit down with

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my favorite researchers you know and

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authors and just talk you know at lunch

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maybe or over a drink and just chat

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about anything but UFOs and Bigfoot when

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this happens you get their best stuff

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because you know they're used to talking

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about the same old stuff UFOs and

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abductions but once you get them started

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on life once you do that the

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conversation lasts for hours right now

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we always save the UFO stuff we save

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that stuff for the show it's the

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opposite with Grant correct

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my man grant is UFOs 24/7 seriously hey

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grant now you doing haven't seen any new

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while Jimmy man have you heard about the

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latest case whoa grant how's the family

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man this latest case man we got a grant

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so tonight let's see if I can get the

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other side of mr. grant Cameron and and

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don't worry okay I know what you're

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thinking I don't know we're gonna get to

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the good stuff

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because it's grant Cameron seriously I'm

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yours Jimmy Church as you can see there

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has been a general mood change around

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here around the country the pressure

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relief valve has been popped a little

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bit we can all relax

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I've got normal TV back on which I never

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watch anyway but if I choose to it's

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just normal stuff right and hope

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you are seeing the same and feeling the

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same things in your part of the world

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with that I'm gonna get out of here and

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take a break I'm gonna come back with

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our guest tonight

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mr. grant Cameron this is fade to black

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on the game changer Network in kg RA the

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black

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is not your father's radio show on the

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game change of radio network and kgr a

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the planets hi this is rob reiner from

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anvil and you're listening to jimmy

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[Music]

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00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:25,300
all right welcome back fade to black I

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00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:28,090
am your host Amy Church tonight's grant

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Cameron joins us I want to remind

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everybody tomorrow night

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00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:33,940
Fator night open lines all night long

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it's going to be a great show tomorrow

573
00:32:39,930 --> 00:32:36,910
night done a lot of open lines this week

574
00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:39,940
with all of you and it's going to be

575
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:41,590
great to sit down and just have a

576
00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:43,390
conversation tonight feel a little bit

577
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:45,580
more normal tomorrow night but tonight

578
00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:48,610
it's grant and we are going to be

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covering all of the latest research that

580
00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:53,800
grant finds himself in and we're gonna

581
00:32:59,400 --> 00:32:56,500
cover all of the UFO e tu ap headlines

582
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,410
from around the world in another open

583
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:01,600
and comprehensive conversation that we

584
00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:04,090
always do with Grant he has been a UFO

585
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:07,480
researcher since 1975 and was recognized

586
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:09,130
as both the leads conference

587
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:11,050
international researcher of the year and

588
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:14,530
the UFO Congress researcher of the year

589
00:33:18,990 --> 00:33:16,930
he's a world-renowned expert on UFOs

590
00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:19,000
conspiracies government cover-ups and

591
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,160
has spent decades watching and

592
00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:23,440
chronicling a development around the

593
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:26,260
extra-terrestrial contact he is the

594
00:33:30,990 --> 00:33:28,150
author of Charlie red star and his

595
00:33:33,420 --> 00:33:31,000
website of course is beyond presidential

596
00:33:34,890 --> 00:33:33,430
UFO calm the links are over a 2 meter

597
00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:34,900
radio calm and I would like to welcome

598
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:35,740
back to fade to black

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00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:38,440
grant Cameron grant how are you tonight

600
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,200
man fantastic give you thanks yeah you

601
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,000
know what what's great the audience

602
00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:49,120
can't see us but tonight you and I we we

603
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:51,100
I don't know how many shows and

604
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:52,420
interviews and things we've done over

605
00:33:56,550 --> 00:33:54,310
the years this is the first time we've

606
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:56,560
done it face to face right they can't

607
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:00,690
but tonight tonight grant and I are

608
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:04,750
watching each other on on video but

609
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:06,850
welcome back to the program and it has

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00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:11,110
been grant before we get to the UFO

611
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:16,780
subject no you know we would not really

612
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:18,790
be too responsible if we ignore the

613
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:20,950
elephant in the room and that is the sea

614
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:23,350
of change that is going around the world

615
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:24,970
right now and across the United States

616
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:27,790
and you're just north of this up there

617
00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:30,730
in Canada which means you're involved by

618
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:34,520
proxy right yeah and

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00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:36,260
how're you guys doing up there and and

620
00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:39,530
what's the mood like it's not quite as

621
00:34:44,649 --> 00:34:42,080
as tense as it does is down in the

622
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:44,659
United States we have we had the same

623
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:47,210
sort of unemployment thing we don't have

624
00:34:51,220 --> 00:34:49,130
the of course the rioting or anything

625
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:51,230
like that that's your belief in

626
00:34:56,530 --> 00:34:53,090
separation you know

627
00:34:58,770 --> 00:34:56,540
I'm different than you and you have you

628
00:35:01,210 --> 00:34:58,780
have the problem with the

629
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:01,220
african-american we have we had just

630
00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:03,410
before coab ed we had the problem with

631
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:05,600
aboriginals which is our sort of belief

632
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:08,180
in separation up here where we had they

633
00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,970
were blockading stuff and over pipelines

634
00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:12,740
and stuff like that so you always get

635
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:14,180
that kind of stuff but we sort of looked

636
00:35:19,210 --> 00:35:17,480
down at the United States and say well

637
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:19,220
we're much better off than what's going

638
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:20,480
on there even though there's still lots

639
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:22,250
of unemployed people here but you know

640
00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:25,130
restaurants have gone back to to serving

641
00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:26,360
in the last couple of days people are

642
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:27,950
allowed in hospitals I don't think we

643
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:29,570
have a single person in a hospital here

644
00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:31,850
right now so we've basically got no

645
00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:35,240
cases we got the 5g but we've got no co

646
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:38,060
bed cases dad that's the 3d version the

647
00:35:42,850 --> 00:35:40,250
way I look at it i I'm going to do a

648
00:35:44,650 --> 00:35:42,860
panel coming up because I've moved off

649
00:35:46,810 --> 00:35:44,660
sort of the UFO thing and I've gotten

650
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:46,820
into the sort of what's reality type

651
00:35:54,250 --> 00:35:50,930
thing I'm doing a panel shortly where

652
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,260
I'm going to have six six people on who

653
00:35:58,540 --> 00:35:56,960
had the vision they got have just done a

654
00:36:00,580 --> 00:35:58,550
book called contact modalities people

655
00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:00,590
who sort of get into the field and pick

656
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:02,300
up information I've got six Dib from

657
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:04,220
different one once from a float tank out

658
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:06,470
of LA mm-hmm ones a lot of them are

659
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,730
near-death experience people and

660
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:09,680
basically they get the vision that

661
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:10,940
everything is absolutely perfect

662
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:12,530
everything is exactly the way it's

663
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:14,780
supposed to be and it's a really really

664
00:36:18,970 --> 00:36:16,850
you go with like come on this is like

665
00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:18,980
crazy stuff and yet these people will

666
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:19,940
come back from these near-death

667
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:21,830
experiences and say this is the vision

668
00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:24,260
this is the dream that's the reality and

669
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:27,590
this very bizarre thing that in the end

670
00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:28,850
it's it's like it's a reincarnation

671
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:31,100
world so whatever it is you're being

672
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:33,260
dealt a bunch of cards play the cards

673
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,570
quit whining you can always find someone

674
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:36,800
who's worse off than you some of those

675
00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:38,990
better off than you and that's sort of

676
00:36:43,770 --> 00:36:40,670
what I spend a lot of my time doing I'm

677
00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:43,780
actually now working on a book called

678
00:36:48,339 --> 00:36:46,520
extraterrestrial or maybe not and it

679
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:48,349
looks into this whole aspect of the

680
00:36:54,309 --> 00:36:51,710
Rover's between UFOs and weird things

681
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:54,319
like the spirit world where I'll give

682
00:36:58,930 --> 00:36:55,910
you I'll give you two examples just just

683
00:37:02,229 --> 00:36:58,940
blew me away where a lot of people who

684
00:37:03,999 --> 00:37:02,239
we consider to be abductees will say I I

685
00:37:05,259 --> 00:37:04,009
was I was allowed to go into the spirit

686
00:37:07,299 --> 00:37:05,269
world and I'm in the spirit world

687
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,309
there's a Mormon friend of mine Ron

688
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,440
Johnson out of Utah says I'm there and

689
00:37:12,549 --> 00:37:10,880
I'm with my mother three times I'm in

690
00:37:14,799 --> 00:37:12,559
the spirit world and she's showing me

691
00:37:17,499 --> 00:37:14,809
around she shows me this this building

692
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:17,509
and it's a small little tiny building

693
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,430
looks like a temple we go inside the

694
00:37:24,339 --> 00:37:22,160
temple and he said it was ten times the

695
00:37:26,469 --> 00:37:24,349
size inside as it was outside and as

696
00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:26,479
soon as he said that I went oh Chris

697
00:37:30,279 --> 00:37:28,700
muscle said the same thing right Wetzel

698
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:30,289
told me he flew the flying saucer I said

699
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,880
Chris stop I want you to tell me about

700
00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:33,200
the flying saucer tell me how do you fly

701
00:37:37,059 --> 00:37:35,180
a flying saucer and because I knew I

702
00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:37,069
knew I knew the I've had fifty people

703
00:37:40,569 --> 00:37:39,380
have told me how to do it but he so he

704
00:37:42,219 --> 00:37:40,579
told me in the same thing he said it's

705
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:42,229
ten times the size inside his outside

706
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:45,470
and Terry Lovelace has said the same

707
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:47,089
thing a bunch of UFO experiences said

708
00:37:51,249 --> 00:37:48,950
the same thing so I'm saying well I'm

709
00:37:52,749 --> 00:37:51,259
having UFO abduction or they in the

710
00:37:55,269 --> 00:37:52,759
spirit world and the other thing he

711
00:37:56,739 --> 00:37:55,279
talked about in in his experience was he

712
00:37:58,959 --> 00:37:56,749
says my mother takes me in this in this

713
00:38:00,279 --> 00:37:58,969
building and there's a big huge table

714
00:38:01,930 --> 00:38:00,289
she takes me to the far end of the room

715
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:01,940
and there's this big huge table there

716
00:38:05,019 --> 00:38:03,529
and there's these crystals in the table

717
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:05,029
and that crystals are coming out of the

718
00:38:08,349 --> 00:38:06,710
table and if you look at the crystal

719
00:38:09,849 --> 00:38:08,359
everybody's got their own crystal so

720
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,859
Jimmy you when you die you have this

721
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:11,359
crystal and you look in the crystal and

722
00:38:14,289 --> 00:38:12,890
you can see all your past lives you can

723
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,299
see your lives and you plan your future

724
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,640
lives and as soon as she said that that

725
00:38:21,009 --> 00:38:17,839
you look at the crystal at a certain

726
00:38:24,130 --> 00:38:21,019
angle I'm thinking that's UFO cover-up

727
00:38:26,529 --> 00:38:24,140
live 1988 right Richard Doty says the

728
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,539
most amazing thing he saw was the aliens

729
00:38:29,259 --> 00:38:27,920
had this crystal and you took the

730
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:29,269
crystal and you looked at it at a

731
00:38:33,249 --> 00:38:31,369
certain angle and you could see the

732
00:38:34,690 --> 00:38:33,259
history of the world and so you see

733
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:34,700
these parallels that are crossing over

734
00:38:38,259 --> 00:38:36,170
and that's when I did this contact

735
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:38,269
modality book and so I'm coming to the

736
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:39,890
sort of the conclusion that the world

737
00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:42,710
that the world of UFOs the world as we

738
00:38:46,479 --> 00:38:44,900
know it is a lot less physical and

739
00:38:48,969 --> 00:38:46,489
people think it is it's a lot more

740
00:38:52,299 --> 00:38:48,979
spiritual and people think it is it's

741
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:52,309
and it's like a probably hundred

742
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:54,170
thousand million times more complex when

743
00:38:58,809 --> 00:38:56,089
I look at the UFO phenomena and I start

744
00:39:01,059 --> 00:38:58,819
looking at people their actual stories

745
00:39:02,289 --> 00:39:01,069
and this kind of stuff I start to

746
00:39:04,809 --> 00:39:02,299
realize like it's

747
00:39:06,609 --> 00:39:04,819
it's not going to be there maybe an ET

748
00:39:09,249 --> 00:39:06,619
component to it but it's going to be

749
00:39:12,339 --> 00:39:09,259
much more complex than DTS I've seen the

750
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:12,349
cover from the book is it out it was

751
00:39:16,749 --> 00:39:14,689
just out yesterday and today I just put

752
00:39:19,929 --> 00:39:16,759
a couple minutes ago I just put the

753
00:39:21,819 --> 00:39:19,939
first 50 pages of the book on it because

754
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:21,829
it's a very very long book I mean the

755
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:23,900
Como Neuwirth ironing and meme ship and

756
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:25,369
alien abduction it goes through all the

757
00:39:29,499 --> 00:39:27,109
different modalities where people claim

758
00:39:31,569 --> 00:39:29,509
that they were in a different world they

759
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:31,579
were picking up material or whatever so

760
00:39:36,219 --> 00:39:33,650
I've put up 50 pages and that basically

761
00:39:38,289 --> 00:39:36,229
explains the beginning what what I think

762
00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:38,299
is actually going on how does this

763
00:39:41,049 --> 00:39:38,719
happen

764
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:41,059
and what with the basic concept is is

765
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:43,640
you have a right brain left brain and

766
00:39:47,709 --> 00:39:45,650
your left brain ego keeps you in the

767
00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:47,719
physical world and if you can stop the

768
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:49,309
chitter chatter in your head right

769
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:51,049
whether through meditation through a

770
00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:53,569
head injury through an alien abduction

771
00:39:57,699 --> 00:39:56,029
or whatever you can suddenly be in this

772
00:39:59,439 --> 00:39:57,709
field and you can pick up material for

773
00:40:01,689 --> 00:39:59,449
example 40 percent of all the free

774
00:40:04,359 --> 00:40:01,699
survey and you've interviewed greater

775
00:40:06,429 --> 00:40:04,369
Nanda's 40 percent of all people that

776
00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:06,439
that claim they have had the UFO

777
00:40:09,429 --> 00:40:07,670
experience that have been abducted or

778
00:40:10,569 --> 00:40:09,439
had the experience say they knew the

779
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:10,579
answer to everything in the universe at

780
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:12,410
one point during the experience and when

781
00:40:16,269 --> 00:40:13,849
they came back to forgot a near-death

782
00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:16,279
experience people say exactly the same

783
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:17,900
thing and near-death experience for

784
00:40:20,589 --> 00:40:19,369
example will tell you the people who

785
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:20,599
have near-death experiences will say

786
00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:23,150
they drain batteries they can't wear

787
00:40:28,029 --> 00:40:26,420
watches right erect electronic equipment

788
00:40:30,999 --> 00:40:28,039
when they touch it that's Chris blood so

789
00:40:32,289 --> 00:40:31,009
that's that's exactly even Cathy Mardon

790
00:40:33,489 --> 00:40:32,299
they did a study on this for something

791
00:40:34,959 --> 00:40:33,499
said I think it was abducted last night

792
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:34,969
and they would measure them and they

793
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:36,410
would have this field that they could

794
00:40:39,489 --> 00:40:38,089
they could burn out electronics or the

795
00:40:41,049 --> 00:40:39,499
lights would go off and stuff like that

796
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:41,059
it's near-death experience the same

797
00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:42,410
thing so I'm what I'm looking at now is

798
00:40:46,539 --> 00:40:44,900
all these crossovers and saying maybe

799
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:46,549
this is all the same thing and we're

800
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:47,420
just looking at it from different

801
00:40:52,959 --> 00:40:51,380
perspectives and that it's it's it's the

802
00:40:54,669 --> 00:40:52,969
same thing but the key thing is as you

803
00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:54,679
said how's it going the thing that

804
00:40:58,449 --> 00:40:56,119
really blew me away and this the guy in

805
00:41:00,370 --> 00:40:58,459
LA you got it in the float tank he was

806
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:00,380
so embarrassed about this this vision

807
00:41:03,130 --> 00:41:01,910
that he got that everything is exactly

808
00:41:04,749 --> 00:41:03,140
the way it's supposed to be that we

809
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:04,759
choose everything that happens to us

810
00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:06,650
whether it's good bad or indifferent and

811
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:09,109
and we we it's how we play our cards he

812
00:41:12,009 --> 00:41:10,400
didn't tell his wife he didn't tell

813
00:41:13,449 --> 00:41:12,019
anybody I was the first guy he told he

814
00:41:15,009 --> 00:41:13,459
said I can't believe I saw they had this

815
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:15,019
vision and so in the in the

816
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:16,049
reincarnation world

817
00:41:19,459 --> 00:41:18,089
it comes down to the whole idea and I

818
00:41:20,779 --> 00:41:19,469
never asked Kathy Martin about this

819
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:20,789
there's the whole thing with UFO

820
00:41:23,749 --> 00:41:23,160
abductees people where they say you know

821
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,759
is this

822
00:41:27,469 --> 00:41:25,140
are they being taken against their will

823
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:27,479
or a soul contract and remember I asked

824
00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:29,729
everybody I asked Barbara lamb I asked

825
00:41:33,769 --> 00:41:32,339
you know Mary rod well and then I asked

826
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:33,779
Kathy Martin I said Kathy what do you

827
00:41:37,759 --> 00:41:35,910
think says I didn't know so I got myself

828
00:41:39,469 --> 00:41:37,769
regress back to birth and I actually

829
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:39,479
heard the words come out of my mouth I

830
00:41:43,999 --> 00:41:42,119
chose to do this and so this this whole

831
00:41:45,469 --> 00:41:44,009
idea that we like to play the victim we

832
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:45,479
like to say I'm having a terrible life

833
00:41:49,789 --> 00:41:47,160
and and you got a better life than me

834
00:41:52,099 --> 00:41:49,799
and I'm being treated unfairly and in

835
00:41:54,439 --> 00:41:52,109
the end it may be this almost would Jack

836
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,449
Jacques valet said it may be just a

837
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:56,880
giant Kabuki theater and the only the

838
00:42:01,999 --> 00:41:59,640
only message is we aren't alone does it

839
00:42:04,489 --> 00:42:02,009
indicate to you oh by the way so the

840
00:42:07,999 --> 00:42:04,499
book is out work and you co water with

841
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:08,009
desta right yeah desta does desta

842
00:42:13,189 --> 00:42:10,920
actually did I love the modality so she

843
00:42:15,439 --> 00:42:13,199
did all all the editing she did she put

844
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:15,449
it up she arranged the cover LS or so

845
00:42:18,229 --> 00:42:16,890
she doesn't love that stuff for me

846
00:42:19,939 --> 00:42:18,239
because she's younger than me and those

847
00:42:24,739 --> 00:42:19,949
the technology stuff that I don't know

848
00:42:26,539 --> 00:42:24,749
but she she she does channeling and

849
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:26,549
she's one of the ones where she learned

850
00:42:30,499 --> 00:42:28,049
this thing so what what the whole idea

851
00:42:32,269 --> 00:42:30,509
the concept is so you you you're in the

852
00:42:33,859 --> 00:42:32,279
alpha state most of the time right and

853
00:42:35,779 --> 00:42:33,869
when you're your eyes are awake you're

854
00:42:37,189 --> 00:42:35,789
you're thinking whatever and then when

855
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:37,199
you when you want to go to sleep you

856
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:38,729
have to go from the alpha state down

857
00:42:42,229 --> 00:42:40,920
through the theta state into the Delta

858
00:42:44,959 --> 00:42:42,239
State that's when you're sleeping at the

859
00:42:46,669 --> 00:42:44,969
bottom and it's the theta state is where

860
00:42:48,259 --> 00:42:46,679
these people pick it up so once you shut

861
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,269
the left brain down you're in the theta

862
00:42:51,859 --> 00:42:50,400
state and you can suddenly you know

863
00:42:53,809 --> 00:42:51,869
leave your body or have these

864
00:42:56,479 --> 00:42:53,819
experiences whatever so desta was able

865
00:42:58,339 --> 00:42:56,489
to do this and so I when I first met her

866
00:43:00,469 --> 00:42:58,349
she said they had taught her how to do

867
00:43:02,059 --> 00:43:00,479
this and so I would say to her okay ask

868
00:43:03,709 --> 00:43:02,069
them this ask them not and that's right

869
00:43:05,299 --> 00:43:03,719
that's the way I figure it is well if

870
00:43:07,669 --> 00:43:05,309
you have these things where people that

871
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,679
can get in the field why would you not

872
00:43:11,419 --> 00:43:09,119
take advantage of this because it's it's

873
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:11,429
almost like you know you have people who

874
00:43:14,359 --> 00:43:13,170
do radio broadcasting you have Jimmy

875
00:43:16,669 --> 00:43:14,369
Church I mean there's people at

876
00:43:18,439 --> 00:43:16,679
different levels of how they do it so

877
00:43:19,669 --> 00:43:18,449
there are some Chandler's who are really

878
00:43:21,049 --> 00:43:19,679
not that good and there are some

879
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:21,059
challenge that are really good like when

880
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:23,099
you talk to Bashar you realize like this

881
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,359
guy ain't this guy ain't making this

882
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,160
stuff up he's he's at some different

883
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:28,319
level than the rest of people and so

884
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,819
what I tried to do is I try to

885
00:43:33,499 --> 00:43:31,920
into that rather than using the rational

886
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:33,509
analytical mind to try to figure it out

887
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,880
I figure these people know something I'm

888
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:37,140
gonna find out who these people are and

889
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:38,609
how did they get the field and how far

890
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:40,049
did they get in the field how much were

891
00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:41,880
they almost like through water how close

892
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,799
to they get to the surface of the water

893
00:43:46,729 --> 00:43:45,420
where this where there's lots of light

894
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:46,739
where they could see stuff because we're

895
00:43:50,749 --> 00:43:48,209
down at the bottom in the darkness and

896
00:43:52,249 --> 00:43:50,759
then use that if you if you have

897
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:52,259
experiences who say they can heal people

898
00:43:56,749 --> 00:43:54,180
why would we not study them if there's

899
00:43:58,219 --> 00:43:56,759
people said the 42% of all experiences

900
00:44:00,229 --> 00:43:58,229
say they they have mathematical

901
00:44:01,579 --> 00:44:00,239
scientific or technical material in

902
00:44:03,019 --> 00:44:01,589
their head that they do not learn in

903
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:03,029
school why would you not talk to these

904
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,920
people so that's basically where I'm

905
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,140
chasing now is to try to track down

906
00:44:12,439 --> 00:44:09,839
these people who seem to have ripped the

907
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:12,449
veil and gotten on the other side have

908
00:44:19,999 --> 00:44:15,089
you found and we've talked about this

909
00:44:22,189 --> 00:44:20,009
before but on other subjects but have

910
00:44:25,819 --> 00:44:22,199
you found that everything is connected

911
00:44:28,459 --> 00:44:25,829
right everything is connected and when

912
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:28,469
we're talking about these different

913
00:44:34,999 --> 00:44:32,249
ideas inside of our community grant

914
00:44:37,939 --> 00:44:35,009
science and physics and quantify they've

915
00:44:41,509 --> 00:44:37,949
been pursuing this on an analytical

916
00:44:44,180 --> 00:44:41,519
sense through algorithms going back to

917
00:44:48,489 --> 00:44:44,190
Isaac Newton right they're chasing these

918
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,499
same things that we are questioning and

919
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:50,880
experiencing in our community -

920
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:53,160
everything is connected isn't it yeah

921
00:44:57,019 --> 00:44:54,209
that's the name my publishing company

922
00:44:59,269 --> 00:44:57,029
it's all connected that's all it's all

923
00:45:00,469 --> 00:44:59,279
connected so yeah it is it and that's

924
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,479
the whole thing and you start looking at

925
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:02,819
we sort of make these mistakes I had I

926
00:45:07,579 --> 00:45:04,619
had to download experiences one was in

927
00:45:10,099 --> 00:45:07,589
2012 one was in about 2017 which is a

928
00:45:12,769 --> 00:45:10,109
very complex download and it basically

929
00:45:14,749 --> 00:45:12,779
was giving me the thing said is is the

930
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,759
real made out of consciousness or made

931
00:45:17,509 --> 00:45:16,079
out of nuts of bolts if it's made out no

932
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:17,519
that's of both so that's one world with

933
00:45:20,839 --> 00:45:19,529
certain rules but if it's not if it's

934
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,849
made out of consciousness it's a

935
00:45:22,969 --> 00:45:21,599
completely different world with

936
00:45:24,859 --> 00:45:22,979
different rules so it was giving India

937
00:45:26,779 --> 00:45:24,869
is that this or at that right and and

938
00:45:28,969 --> 00:45:26,789
and one of the things that I think we

939
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:28,979
sort of miss miss mistake is we still

940
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:31,650
are stuck in this sort of Newtonian

941
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:35,880
world where we're all mixed up so you'd

942
00:45:43,820 --> 00:45:42,390
get a where you say time and space don't

943
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:43,830
exist Einstein basically we

944
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,270
we know this we know this is probably

945
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,560
going to be true that it's just an

946
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:48,240
impression in our head and yet we talk

947
00:45:52,940 --> 00:45:50,280
about planets out there or you've got to

948
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:52,950
the thing with we John Wheeler and

949
00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:54,420
another physicist where they're talking

950
00:45:57,740 --> 00:45:56,190
about there's only one electron and you

951
00:45:59,780 --> 00:45:57,750
get into quantum physics you start to

952
00:46:01,880 --> 00:45:59,790
realize the world is just not what we

953
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:01,890
think it is this idea that maybe all

954
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,450
within ourselves that there is no out

955
00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:05,160
there out there where are you actually

956
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:07,320
seeing and that's where I I start going

957
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:09,060
after these kids who are able to look

958
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,830
through blindfolds so that the whole

959
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:12,960
thing is how are these kids able to see

960
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:15,570
or they teach blind people to see and

961
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,970
the thing is have they recreated like

962
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:18,720
when you have an out-of-body experience

963
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:20,250
or near-death experience and you're

964
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,480
floating at the corner of the room in

965
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:23,040
the in the hospital room these people

966
00:46:26,090 --> 00:46:24,720
can see and they can they can hear

967
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:26,100
people say well the brain still alive

968
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:27,630
doesn't matter the eyes are closed it

969
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:29,460
doesn't matter you cannot see so they're

970
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:30,660
seeing with something else and then

971
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,010
these people that you see that people

972
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:34,260
started to develop these techniques and

973
00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:36,690
I think we're so far along the road in

974
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:38,550
terms of people starting to understand

975
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:39,960
how this works in the experiments and

976
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,490
stuff there's just no money in it but I

977
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:43,680
I think we've moved a long way in terms

978
00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:45,570
of understanding the role of

979
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:47,100
consciousness in this thing and I keep

980
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,510
saying over and over again I said until

981
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:50,400
people understand the role of

982
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:53,070
consciousness in this thing we are we

983
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:54,390
are going to be just banging our head

984
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,740
against the wall we've done it for 73

985
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,480
years we're looking at sightings which

986
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,640
tell you one thing that that UFOs exist

987
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:02,640
yes it's real or as Jacque bellei said

988
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:05,610
about about Nimitz it's a UFO sighting

989
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,410
15 years ago it's time to get over it we

990
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,880
got to move to the next step and try to

991
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:10,740
figure out you know how do they get here

992
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,930
or even if you if you've seen the

993
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:14,880
interview where KITT green is being

994
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:19,260
trying to get Jim peniston's DNA a

995
00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:21,090
couple of years ago Jim Penniston said

996
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,230
I'm not letting this guy out of the room

997
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:23,760
he's gonna tell me what that's going on

998
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:25,740
here and what Kip green says to him is

999
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,390
we're trying to figure out how do they

1000
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:29,880
pop in and how do they pop out well I've

1001
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:31,290
known that for a long time people think

1002
00:47:34,490 --> 00:47:33,000
they're sort of flying here but anybody

1003
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:34,500
who knows enough and talked to enough

1004
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:36,180
experiences or people like mission drama

1005
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:38,130
people realize they're popping in and

1006
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:39,960
they're popping out they come in as a

1007
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:41,670
ball of light and they turn into a being

1008
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,900
and then go back to a ball of light and

1009
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,640
they disappear and that's why I'm saying

1010
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:46,560
it is way more complex than we think it

1011
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:48,210
is we think it's sort of like nuts and

1012
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:50,270
bolts or if you go to the 50 people and

1013
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:52,740
everybody has said the same thing when I

1014
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:54,090
did Orange County I did I don't know if

1015
00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:56,220
you know the guy who's the f-16 pilot

1016
00:48:00,140 --> 00:47:57,630
there he came

1017
00:48:01,460 --> 00:48:00,150
his story and he said you know I they

1018
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:01,470
said tell him your story about playing

1019
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:04,980
the craft and I said I said you flew the

1020
00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:06,690
crowd you flew the craft he said yeah

1021
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:08,700
they said but it's just a dream I said

1022
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,470
everybody says it's a dream tell me and

1023
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:12,480
then he said oh he's a pilot and I said

1024
00:48:15,859 --> 00:48:13,980
really my father's a pilot my sons

1025
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:15,869
apology and then he end up telling me is

1026
00:48:21,289 --> 00:48:19,079
a an f-16 retired a US Air Force colonel

1027
00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:21,299
flew in Iraq and he told me the same

1028
00:48:25,549 --> 00:48:22,740
story and the whole thing is that the

1029
00:48:27,499 --> 00:48:25,559
craft is alive you become one with the

1030
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:27,509
craft and whatever you think is what the

1031
00:48:31,579 --> 00:48:29,609
craft dies and you can get stories where

1032
00:48:32,749 --> 00:48:31,589
somebody would like Ron Johnson tells

1033
00:48:35,299 --> 00:48:32,759
the story where they asked where do you

1034
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:35,309
want to go and he says I want to see the

1035
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,079
this.d I want to see the Milky Way from

1036
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:39,180
a distance and they say it'll be a it'll

1037
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,220
be a very intense g-force he said it

1038
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:43,200
lasted for one second he looked out the

1039
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:44,819
window and there was the the Milky Way

1040
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:46,740
in the distance we do not have the

1041
00:48:49,759 --> 00:48:47,940
technology no matter what anybody says

1042
00:48:52,759 --> 00:48:49,769
this is really complex

1043
00:48:54,529 --> 00:48:52,769
they are like lightyears ahead of us in

1044
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:54,539
terms of what's going on and I maintain

1045
00:48:59,059 --> 00:48:56,250
that it is not going to be as physical

1046
00:49:02,120 --> 00:48:59,069
as people think it is now he brought up

1047
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:02,130
John Wheeler and and you we have wheeler

1048
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:04,170
and Everett and maybe you know today

1049
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:09,750
like Leonard Susskind that if they were

1050
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:14,250
always leaning towards something more

1051
00:49:19,339 --> 00:49:16,440
spiritual trying to figure out what

1052
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:19,349
consciousness was very controversial to

1053
00:49:27,019 --> 00:49:21,210
do in the physics community as you know

1054
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:27,029
very agnostic atheist for them for them

1055
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:29,609
to lean in that direction kind of freaks

1056
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:33,630
everybody out but certainly that is

1057
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:36,839
where physics is leading them they they

1058
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:39,089
can answer a lot of questions but they

1059
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:42,359
can't get to the fundamental answers of

1060
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:43,619
what consciousness is

1061
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:46,950
and what entanglement may mean with all

1062
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:49,470
of that right yeah and yet we've known

1063
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:51,630
since 1950 I'm a righty I know if you

1064
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:52,980
saw the thing where I was talking to

1065
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:54,690
Nick Hope and Nick Pope said that

1066
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,490
consciousness is not really my thing I

1067
00:49:59,960 --> 00:49:58,500
really don't know but the Canadians knew

1068
00:50:01,339 --> 00:49:59,970
so it's almost like the Brits were put

1069
00:50:02,749 --> 00:50:01,349
in the naughty corner they didn't know

1070
00:50:05,029 --> 00:50:02,759
what's going on the Canadians knew in

1071
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:05,039
November of 1950 that consciousness was

1072
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:07,079
involved and that was that was two years

1073
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:08,819
before anybody talked to an alien that

1074
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:10,410
was before Adamski and Williams sent on

1075
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,550
all these guys with

1076
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Canadians wrote the top secret memo said

1077
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:15,930
flying saucers exist most highly

1078
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:17,850
classified subject United States there's

1079
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,380
a small group headed by dr. banner of

1080
00:50:22,610 --> 00:50:20,640
our bush that are trying to figure out

1081
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:22,620
the modus operandi mister tremendous

1082
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:23,940
significance to the Americans and we

1083
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:25,590
were also told by Americans that other

1084
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,570
things such as mental phenomena might be

1085
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:29,040
involved and they aren't doing very well

1086
00:50:32,060 --> 00:50:30,510
because they said if we're working on it

1087
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:32,070
they're willing to exchange credentials

1088
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:33,690
and talk to us so that Canadians knew in

1089
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:35,730
1950 the quite the question is how did

1090
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:37,710
they know before anybody talked to an

1091
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:39,630
alien now we know they're telepathic how

1092
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,730
did they know well potentially because

1093
00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:43,500
in Roswell they had a live alien and the

1094
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:45,030
alien was talking in people's heads and

1095
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,680
they went oh my god this thing's talking

1096
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:48,660
in our heads so they'd known this is

1097
00:50:53,810 --> 00:50:51,330
same as when John Harrison talks to to

1098
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:53,820
Ben rich and he says how did they how do

1099
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,290
they get here I need to know and he said

1100
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,640
he turns around he says what do you know

1101
00:50:59,360 --> 00:50:58,440
bud ESP and they said well it means

1102
00:51:00,830 --> 00:50:59,370
everything in time and space was

1103
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:00,840
connected he said that's how it works

1104
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:02,850
Eric Walker the head of Penn State

1105
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:05,100
University assistant secretary of

1106
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:07,650
defense the guy who started DARPA and

1107
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:10,020
the the Institute for Defense analysis

1108
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,280
was a chairman the top military

1109
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:13,440
think-tank said to us what do you know

1110
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:15,810
about ESP unless you know about ESP you

1111
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:17,250
will not be taken in by the control

1112
00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:19,050
group very few people understand how it

1113
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:21,750
works and then you take Tom DeLonge Tom

1114
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:23,610
DeLonge goes to Lockheed he's in the the

1115
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:25,710
top-secret skiff and the head scientist

1116
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:27,510
says how does it work what's what's

1117
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:29,070
what's it all about and then he says

1118
00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:30,330
well I think consciousness is involved

1119
00:51:34,070 --> 00:51:32,430
and he said this head scientist said now

1120
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:34,080
you're talking and couldn't shut him up

1121
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:35,310
for 45 minutes wanted to talk about

1122
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:37,230
consciousness so they understand that

1123
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:39,630
consciousness is involved but it's so

1124
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:41,580
far beyond what we've got in terms of

1125
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,380
understanding how does it fit in and

1126
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:45,420
that's where I'm actually doing a paper

1127
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:47,250
now I always have this sort of debate

1128
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:48,900
people say oh the government's got this

1129
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:51,090
technology like Linda Howell was given

1130
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:52,680
this material from somebody that we've

1131
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:54,210
been trading with star systems since the

1132
00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:56,550
1970s or whatever and I'm looking I'm

1133
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,590
going no I don't think so if you look at

1134
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:00,960
Eric Davis the debate between how you

1135
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:03,000
seen the emails between Eric Davis in

1136
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,770
Sarfati right and they're sitting there

1137
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:06,720
talking about the mathematics for flying

1138
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:10,290
the Nimitz the tic-tac and and and at

1139
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:12,120
one point Davis says you're connecting

1140
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:14,520
dots that don't exist go back to

1141
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,020
consciousness physics and quit ruining

1142
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:18,420
physics or however he phrased we use the

1143
00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:20,760
word consciousness physics and so these

1144
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:22,590
two guys are arguing about floating this

1145
00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:25,290
little layered piece of metal Bank at

1146
00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:25,780
anything

1147
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:27,790
and and help put up with us he said no I

1148
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:28,810
don't think I haven't seen the

1149
00:52:32,730 --> 00:52:30,730
technology I just released an interview

1150
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:32,740
with Richard Doty Richard Doty talks

1151
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,360
about he'll put off being brought pieces

1152
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:36,160
of the craft and he couldn't get him to

1153
00:52:39,630 --> 00:52:37,960
work and if you talked to Melinda lastly

1154
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:39,640
Melinda Leslie will say they give him

1155
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:41,590
two experiences two and they say can you

1156
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:42,790
make this work and the experience that

1157
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:44,170
could make the piece-of-crap piece of

1158
00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:45,730
thing work and as they all we got

1159
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:46,780
another one they know who's an

1160
00:52:50,670 --> 00:52:48,520
experienced are based upon whether they

1161
00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:50,680
can make this piece of material so I

1162
00:52:56,070 --> 00:52:52,420
started looking I look at all these guys

1163
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:56,080
it Ron Pandolfi Ron Pandolfi I know I

1164
00:52:59,250 --> 00:52:57,310
don't deal with him but I deal with

1165
00:53:02,790 --> 00:52:59,260
people around him and he says basically

1166
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,800
yes this phenomena is for real but that

1167
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:05,200
we don't have anything all these people

1168
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:07,720
are looks loons crooks and worse that

1169
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:08,890
they're just trying to make money off

1170
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:11,740
this thing and so I start looking at

1171
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,450
these very high-level guys I have yet to

1172
00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:15,760
see I high-level guy who says yeah we

1173
00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:17,380
got it because every time you you look

1174
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:19,630
and I've followed these guys since ninth

1175
00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:23,110
and 1980s like he'll put off KITT green

1176
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:25,060
KITT green actually was involved in

1177
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,620
talking did dr. Eric Walker

1178
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:28,720
so his help put off that was my guy that

1179
00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:29,560
was Eric Walker that was the

1180
00:53:35,070 --> 00:53:32,830
investigation we did from 1983 on so you

1181
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:35,080
you start to see this this thing where I

1182
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:37,750
think Eric Davis said they put it on the

1183
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,050
on the shelf in 1989 and George Knapp

1184
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:42,640
seemed to confirm that as well that

1185
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:43,900
every couple years to try to bring it

1186
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:46,600
out but is so far advanced that the idea

1187
00:53:49,590 --> 00:53:48,010
that we've got stuff where it's ten

1188
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:49,600
times the size inside as it is outside

1189
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:51,670
or that you can fly a craft with your

1190
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:54,010
mind I don't think we have we have bio

1191
00:53:58,290 --> 00:53:56,710
boards where you can take a rat brain

1192
00:54:00,120 --> 00:53:58,300
Otis you've seen these experiments where

1193
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:00,130
they take a rat brain and they fly an

1194
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:02,530
f-22 simulator with 10,000 neurons from

1195
00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:04,390
a rat brain they can do that kind of

1196
00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:05,590
stuff but it's always going to be

1197
00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:07,120
biological and that's the whole idea

1198
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:08,860
behind the craft it's not putting

1199
00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:10,870
consciousness into a craft it's all

1200
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:13,360
consciousness so you take a bio board

1201
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:14,560
and you can you can fly an f-22

1202
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:17,140
simulator and that was 2004 so that's

1203
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,210
almost 16 years ago that that was in the

1204
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:21,040
white in the white world so that kind of

1205
00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:23,170
stuff they can do that being a symbiotic

1206
00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:25,300
with a plane but but you're always going

1207
00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:26,500
to need biology you're always going to

1208
00:54:31,740 --> 00:54:29,230
need living a living organism that that

1209
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:31,750
moves it now I wanted to ask you before

1210
00:54:35,070 --> 00:54:33,970
we get to the break when we bring up

1211
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:35,080
some of the you know

1212
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:37,300
the names in the boys club you know

1213
00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:40,090
Pandolfi and semi van and and kit and

1214
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:46,540
and Sarfatti put off Eric gave us that

1215
00:54:55,590 --> 00:54:51,720
all of them seem to be asking questions

1216
00:54:59,220 --> 00:54:55,600
but it doesn't seem like any of them

1217
00:55:00,860 --> 00:54:59,230
have concrete answers are they chasing

1218
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:00,870
the answers are they themselves

1219
00:55:07,410 --> 00:55:03,550
compartmentalized

1220
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:07,420
are they not actually in the know know

1221
00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:09,850
that most of the community would like to

1222
00:55:13,860 --> 00:55:11,830
think that you know that's where they

1223
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:13,870
are at because they all have the

1224
00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:16,210
connections to the CIA they all have the

1225
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:18,070
connections going back to s RI they've

1226
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:20,410
been involved in the subject since the

1227
00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:22,540
1970s they've been in the boys club

1228
00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:25,660
together for a very long time but are

1229
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:28,840
they actually still looking for answers

1230
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:32,110
or do they have them all right that's

1231
00:55:35,070 --> 00:55:33,490
where the more I look at it the more I

1232
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:35,080
don't think they have the answers I

1233
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:36,730
think they know more than you and I know

1234
00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:39,070
they may know certain aspects but in

1235
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:41,590
terms of of having a theory there's this

1236
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:44,290
famous story with this core story that

1237
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:47,350
kid green he'll put off and Jack fell a

1238
00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:49,090
get-together to Denny's restaurant if

1239
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,680
you've heard that story and they say you

1240
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,240
know this is 1980s and they're saying

1241
00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:54,400
you know well you know it's lots of

1242
00:55:57,780 --> 00:55:55,780
garbage going around lots of stories

1243
00:56:00,420 --> 00:55:57,790
what do we know for sure and what they

1244
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:00,430
concluded was we're being visited by

1245
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:03,300
something we have crash material and

1246
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:05,350
we're not we're not able to back

1247
00:56:09,210 --> 00:56:07,330
engineering and that's what I've heard

1248
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:09,220
and in fact the Wilson document which

1249
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:11,830
has now been verified as as having come

1250
00:56:15,570 --> 00:56:13,450
from the Edgar Mitchell files which is

1251
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:15,580
where exactly I said it came from mm-hmm

1252
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:17,370
all right you'll see at the very end

1253
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:20,200
Wilson the intelligence guy in the

1254
00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:21,910
United States can I get a briefing but

1255
00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:23,620
some other guy gets a briefing and that

1256
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:25,780
guy says we can't back engineer this

1257
00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:27,490
stuff we're not getting anywhere of it

1258
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:28,840
and that's the whole thing because it

1259
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:30,310
has this consciousness connection to it

1260
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,710
that they've stumbled on this this whole

1261
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,240
thing so these guys what I believe

1262
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:35,680
they're doing a lot of our experiences

1263
00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:37,390
like some events and experiencer Gary

1264
00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:39,400
Nolan's an experiencer ballets an

1265
00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:43,240
experiencer Sarfati indicates that how

1266
00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:45,550
cutoff might be an experiencer Sarfati

1267
00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:47,320
is an experiencer and you get these guys

1268
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:48,580
who are trying to get out of the black

1269
00:56:50,460 --> 00:56:48,880
where

1270
00:56:52,290 --> 00:56:50,470
because what the problem is according to

1271
00:56:53,790 --> 00:56:52,300
what Bodie told me is that you have a

1272
00:56:56,490 --> 00:56:53,800
craft and you break the craft into

1273
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:56,500
pieces and use that's how you you do a

1274
00:56:59,280 --> 00:56:57,880
scientific problem you break it into

1275
00:57:00,810 --> 00:56:59,290
small pieces you hand it out to

1276
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:00,820
different labs but the labs aren't

1277
00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:01,900
talking to each other and that's why you

1278
00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:04,660
always hear them talking about Tom

1279
00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:06,520
DeLonge in these guys it's all stovepipe

1280
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:07,990
and we got to get it out of being snow

1281
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:09,430
fight because nobody's talking to each

1282
00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:10,810
other because everybody's got the pieces

1283
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:12,460
but they're trying to get it into the

1284
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,800
white world so that you can you get all

1285
00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:16,240
these people this cosmic club or

1286
00:57:19,590 --> 00:57:18,040
whatever so these people can talk with

1287
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:19,600
each other and how this stuff works and

1288
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:20,890
that's why they've gone to Congress

1289
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:23,140
that's why they've done the spin for the

1290
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:24,580
fear thing so you're not going to get

1291
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:25,990
any money because during the Obama

1292
00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:28,390
administration yeah Leslie Kane was

1293
00:57:31,590 --> 00:57:30,520
doing it with John Podesta and they were

1294
00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:31,600
doing the whole thing it's a threat to

1295
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:32,800
airline traffic and I guess Congress

1296
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:34,690
just went like get outta here you stupid

1297
00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:35,980
idiots you know and now they're doing

1298
00:57:39,210 --> 00:57:37,300
the thing or they you know they're it's

1299
00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:39,220
gonna be a threat that we're gonna get

1300
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:40,870
taken over and stuff and then they get

1301
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:42,310
the money so they get the fear thing

1302
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:43,930
Congress gives them the money and they

1303
00:57:46,890 --> 00:57:45,610
get this money for the white world so

1304
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:46,900
they can work on it and of course

1305
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:48,130
everything's gonna be a job it was gonna

1306
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:49,270
walk around with a suitcase full of

1307
00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:50,890
money you're gonna have patents you're

1308
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:51,880
gonna have all this kind of stuff so

1309
00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:53,170
they're trying to move it into the white

1310
00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:55,030
world which is a good thing but then the

1311
00:57:58,770 --> 00:57:56,800
thing is what are they gonna do I mean

1312
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,780
you take Trump's latest speech about

1313
00:58:02,730 --> 00:58:00,400
going to Mars and we're gonna have great

1314
00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:02,740
new weapons and stuff and that's my fear

1315
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:04,600
is that we're gonna use this for weapons

1316
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:07,890
rather than to make a better mankind now

1317
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,240
in 60 seconds grant we have that right

1318
00:58:20,910 --> 00:58:15,760
we have the core group of the boys club

1319
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:20,920
and then we have what has to be volumes

1320
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:24,070
of data and knowledge of the real stuff

1321
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:27,420
inside of the Pentagon and maybe the CIA

1322
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:29,110
and so forth

1323
00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:34,210
area 51 then we have that how does the

1324
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:38,440
boys club get access to that or is that

1325
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:40,510
to shut off forever can you do that in

1326
00:58:44,010 --> 00:58:43,030
60 seconds well I think they've all got

1327
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:44,020
connections if you hear the latest

1328
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:45,970
interview that was released with Eric

1329
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:47,890
Davis he says he's still a contractor on

1330
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:50,170
a tip and Eric Davis worked in

1331
00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:51,940
intelligence when he was very young he

1332
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:53,980
was in Korea working on intelligence and

1333
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,200
then he worked at the Air Force on an TR

1334
00:59:02,640 --> 00:58:59,440
you know antigrav not anti-gravity but

1335
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,650
you know technical stuff related to this

1336
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:05,200
for the airforce and so they're they're

1337
00:59:09,570 --> 00:59:07,510
all sort of in the field and they've got

1338
00:59:11,310 --> 00:59:09,580
little pieces of the story it's the

1339
00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:11,320
general story that they they're missing

1340
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:14,740
so they according to any what Richard

1341
00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:16,540
told you Richard told you that he'd seem

1342
00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:17,980
to document the Wilson document before

1343
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:19,780
from somebody who already had it mm-hm

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and he was told there was only there was

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00:59:25,110 --> 00:59:23,050
at least one body and that's the whole

1346
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:25,120
idea about the alien autopsy so even

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00:59:28,290 --> 00:59:26,470
though they've got craft material and

1348
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:28,300
they've got bodies the thing is it is

1349
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:30,310
one thing to have it like take a watch

1350
00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:33,250
in the 16th century and turn it around

1351
00:59:36,450 --> 00:59:35,350
and make technology out of it that

1352
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:36,460
that's where we're missing two things so

1353
00:59:39,150 --> 00:59:37,570
they've got little bits and pieces they

1354
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:39,160
know more than you and I but in terms of

1355
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:41,560
how this thing goes together I don't

1356
00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:42,550
think they know because they're not

1357
00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:44,680
talking and help her off confirm to the

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00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:46,030
stars is not talking about consciousness

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00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:47,440
and I say as long as they're not talking

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00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:49,630
about consciousness they're just trying

1361
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:51,730
to get money and they're trying to do

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00:59:55,620 --> 00:59:53,440
something that's still not going to work

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00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,630
let's take our break right here our

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00:59:59,370 --> 00:59:57,760
guest tonight grant Cameron I'm your

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host Jimmy church this is fade to black

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I told you it's gonna be one of those

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conversations you stay right there on

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the GameChanger network and kgr a the

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plan of more with grant after this short

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break stay with us

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this is fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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on the game changer network and the kgr

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Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church

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01:04:38,050 --> 01:04:36,080
radio.com this is Jimmy Church of fade

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to black and you can become an official

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membership section at Jimmy Church

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radio.com hello this is Serena right

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kayla from conscious life Expo and

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy Church who holds the Lucky Pony

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record for the best astrological chart

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Hank's of the gray lien report and

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you're listening to Jimmy church on fade

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01:05:34,450 --> 01:05:33,170
welcome back fade to black I'm Neil

1474
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:34,460
Shubin church our guest tonight grant

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01:05:39,549 --> 01:05:36,890
Cameron you can follow me on Twitter and

1476
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:39,559
shh radio you can follow grant that's

1477
01:05:45,309 --> 01:05:41,990
real easy at Grant Cameron we've got

1478
01:05:47,319 --> 01:05:45,319
everything up in Twitter grant hangs out

1479
01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:47,329
in social media man he's always always

1480
01:05:53,170 --> 01:05:50,630
causing trouble and and grant you know

1481
01:05:56,170 --> 01:05:53,180
this year you know 2020 everything got

1482
01:05:59,950 --> 01:05:56,180
canceled except we're going to be going

1483
01:06:02,589 --> 01:05:59,960
up to Laughlin Nevada down to Laughlin

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:02,599
Nevada for you for the Starworks UFOs

1485
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:04,490
and artificial intelligence conference

1486
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,150
coming up in November you excited yeah

1487
01:06:12,849 --> 01:06:10,880
well Canadians when it's 40 below are

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01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:12,859
always excited to go to Laughlin Nevada

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01:06:21,339 --> 01:06:16,880
it's like no question about it and this

1490
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:21,349
is the thing for me and you where we go

1491
01:06:24,730 --> 01:06:23,210
out all year long and attend these

1492
01:06:26,859 --> 01:06:24,740
conferences and get to hang out and

1493
01:06:29,380 --> 01:06:26,869
break bread and and talk to everybody

1494
01:06:32,349 --> 01:06:29,390
it's it's so much fun that's been taken

1495
01:06:35,170 --> 01:06:32,359
away from us I'm really itching to get

1496
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:35,180
to Laughlin Nevada so we can start to

1497
01:06:40,690 --> 01:06:36,770
get back to normal I don't know about

1498
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:40,700
you but I need to see some faces yeah

1499
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:42,170
and that's that's the big thing people

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01:06:48,279 --> 01:06:43,760
don't realize in the UFO community is

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01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,289
that a lot of people almost everybody

1502
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:49,760
it's almost the pattern people will come

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01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:51,710
to me experiences and say they'll tell

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01:06:55,809 --> 01:06:53,150
their story and then they'll say oh and

1505
01:06:58,029 --> 01:06:55,819
my kid thinks I'm crazy and my you know

1506
01:07:00,010 --> 01:06:58,039
I'm not allowed to see my grandkids and

1507
01:07:01,450 --> 01:07:00,020
I go that's the pattern that's exactly

1508
01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:01,460
the way it is and in fact I had the

1509
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,990
near-death experience I said to the one

1510
01:07:07,210 --> 01:07:04,640
woman with the near-death experience

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01:07:09,339 --> 01:07:07,220
she said her she did they some of the

1512
01:07:10,569 --> 01:07:09,349
major work for Jeffrey Long's book that

1513
01:07:12,279 --> 01:07:10,579
was number one on the New York Times

1514
01:07:13,930 --> 01:07:12,289
bestseller list and I said to her she

1515
01:07:15,549 --> 01:07:13,940
said my father was an atheist my mother

1516
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:15,559
or my mother was an atheist my father

1517
01:07:18,339 --> 01:07:17,089
didn't care about religion so I said

1518
01:07:24,010 --> 01:07:18,349
what about your kids what are your kids

1519
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:24,020
think no they think I'm crazy no it's

1520
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:25,400
like and and it's almost like

1521
01:07:29,019 --> 01:07:26,960
generational it's like my kid the same

1522
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:29,029
thing that's why I'm putting my stuff in

1523
01:07:32,620 --> 01:07:30,680
a in an archives and I always encourage

1524
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:32,630
people to do it if you if you've been in

1525
01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:33,710
the field and you've got some material

1526
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,660
you should document your story and then

1527
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:37,520
you put it in an archives because

1528
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:39,770
usually my kid I mean my kill throws

1529
01:07:43,150 --> 01:07:41,089
stuff in the garbage he has no interest

1530
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:43,160
whatsoever and you always think that

1531
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:43,810
it'll

1532
01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:45,250
son and Wilbur Smith who ran the

1533
01:07:48,750 --> 01:07:46,900
Canadian government UFO para was the

1534
01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:48,760
same thing his kids had no interest

1535
01:07:52,290 --> 01:07:50,440
whatsoever it's the general pattern so

1536
01:07:54,030 --> 01:07:52,300
when you get these conferences what you

1537
01:07:56,010 --> 01:07:54,040
see is people go to those conferences

1538
01:07:58,320 --> 01:07:56,020
and it's like long-lost friends and it's

1539
01:08:00,900 --> 01:07:58,330
like whoa how can a kiss and everybody's

1540
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:00,910
just that's their family because this is

1541
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,890
people who will listen to them or you

1542
01:08:05,340 --> 01:08:04,240
see these experience of things where

1543
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:05,350
they have in the morning member how they

1544
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:09,280
a UFO the big UFO Congress or stuff they

1545
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:10,480
have in the back room and they have them

1546
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:11,950
at 8 o'clock in the morning because

1547
01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:13,390
everybody's sort of afraid to be seen

1548
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,670
and so it's an hour and a half before

1549
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:17,920
the first lecture starts and the place

1550
01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:20,050
is packed it's like 150 people and

1551
01:08:23,550 --> 01:08:21,790
people are crying and they come from all

1552
01:08:25,860 --> 01:08:23,560
around the country and that's because

1553
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:25,870
this is the this is the community where

1554
01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:28,030
you can talk to people you can share

1555
01:08:34,980 --> 01:08:31,030
stories and nobody thinks you're you're

1556
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:34,990
a nutcase one of the things that I enjoy

1557
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:37,870
and I don't know how I've had the

1558
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:41,020
ability to do this but going to

1559
01:08:47,250 --> 01:08:45,310
conferences as often as we do where you

1560
01:08:49,559 --> 01:08:47,260
have in some cases you know 500

1561
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:49,569
attendees a thousand attendees 5,000

1562
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,020
attendees I know everybody right I know

1563
01:09:00,059 --> 01:08:56,080
every attendee we see them over and over

1564
01:09:04,050 --> 01:09:00,069
again and just like you it's it's one

1565
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:04,060
big family and and I miss it and and for

1566
01:09:07,980 --> 01:09:05,440
those out there that have never been to

1567
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:07,990
a conference that's why I encourage you

1568
01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:10,150
to go first off it's just fun you get to

1569
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:13,270
say whatever you want somebody is going

1570
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:17,770
to listen and and you are able to hang

1571
01:09:22,349 --> 01:09:20,040
out with like-minded people that you

1572
01:09:24,750 --> 01:09:22,359
more than likely your family doesn't

1573
01:09:26,910 --> 01:09:24,760
listen or they don't have a concern or

1574
01:09:29,309 --> 01:09:26,920
your co-workers you go to a UFO

1575
01:09:31,650 --> 01:09:29,319
conference and it's like being at the

1576
01:09:34,230 --> 01:09:31,660
barbershop right you can just go on and

1577
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:34,240
say whatever you want and people are

1578
01:09:38,820 --> 01:09:36,100
kind of surprises I can talk very fast

1579
01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:38,830
and talk for hours on end but when I'm

1580
01:09:41,849 --> 01:09:40,540
here in Winnipeg I really don't talk to

1581
01:09:43,530 --> 01:09:41,859
anybody and people are really surprised

1582
01:09:44,940 --> 01:09:43,540
when they hear that that I I can go gaze

1583
01:09:48,030 --> 01:09:44,950
though talking to anybody because

1584
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:48,040
they're just nobody's into it and so you

1585
01:09:55,710 --> 01:09:53,650
get the the situation where you you get

1586
01:09:57,450 --> 01:09:55,720
sort of ostracized and somebody said to

1587
01:09:59,190 --> 01:09:57,460
me one time they said you know you

1588
01:10:00,420 --> 01:09:59,200
have any friends I said what you're

1589
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,430
kidding me I don't have any friends I'm

1590
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:03,520
gonna have any friends here okay but I

1591
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:05,830
said I can go to any state in the United

1592
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,690
States I can go to most countries and I

1593
01:10:10,979 --> 01:10:09,040
can call up any if I get in trouble I

1594
01:10:12,690 --> 01:10:10,989
can call up in LA and call for ten

1595
01:10:13,890 --> 01:10:12,700
people I would know and that's what

1596
01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:13,900
people don't realize your friends are

1597
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:16,600
all over the place and it doesn't it's a

1598
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:19,180
different sort of community and it's a

1599
01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:20,560
lot of it's on the internet but it's

1600
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:22,750
people you know and it's surprising when

1601
01:10:26,910 --> 01:10:24,489
you start listening how many people you

1602
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:26,920
actually know it is staggering how many

1603
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:28,930
people we actually do know yeah when I

1604
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:30,010
have somebody come up to me at a

1605
01:10:35,970 --> 01:10:32,530
conference and go hey Jimmy it's me UFO

1606
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:35,980
Bob on Twitter my dude how you doing and

1607
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:37,960
you've been talking to him for years

1608
01:10:43,380 --> 01:10:40,780
right and we know everything about each

1609
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,390
other's family and life and and I see

1610
01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:46,000
the same thing going on inside of the

1611
01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:49,000
UFO community because they hang out they

1612
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,700
know each other not the researchers not

1613
01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:53,920
the authors the community knows each

1614
01:10:59,760 --> 01:10:56,200
other too and it's great to see them all

1615
01:11:01,979 --> 01:10:59,770
get together and laugh and have fun I

1616
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:01,989
wanted to ask you let's circle back to

1617
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:06,489
something when you mention symbiotic and

1618
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:11,530
I would have to I speculated on this

1619
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:13,750
Allah grant that if we're dealing with

1620
01:11:18,959 --> 01:11:15,730
the technology from somebody that can

1621
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:18,969
get here remember we haven't allegedly

1622
01:11:23,190 --> 01:11:20,710
we don't know for sure but we haven't

1623
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:23,200
gotten there yet right now we don't have

1624
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:27,040
starships we don't have we're not that I

1625
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:31,180
know of we're not jumping into stargates

1626
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:33,850
and wormholes yet maybe we have in the

1627
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:36,370
past but that being said they are

1628
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:38,770
definitely getting here so we're dealing

1629
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:41,350
with the technology and an intelligence

1630
01:11:46,530 --> 01:11:44,350
that quite frankly we shouldn't

1631
01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:46,540
understand there's no way that we can

1632
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:48,550
have a concept with that which is fine

1633
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:51,400
but if we're talking about something

1634
01:11:56,459 --> 01:11:54,120
like a symbiotic control and

1635
01:11:59,130 --> 01:11:56,469
communication that only makes sense to

1636
01:12:02,100 --> 01:11:59,140
me it only makes sense now would we

1637
01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:02,110
understand that I don't know but would

1638
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:05,260
that limit our ability to fly their

1639
01:12:10,350 --> 01:12:09,040
craft right let's say some we do a crash

1640
01:12:14,430 --> 01:12:10,360
retrieval

1641
01:12:17,129 --> 01:12:14,440
or were given a craft does that mean we

1642
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:17,139
can't fly it I mean right is is that one

1643
01:12:22,530 --> 01:12:20,110
no the analogy I would use is your cell

1644
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:22,540
phone so in order to get my cell phone

1645
01:12:26,939 --> 01:12:24,610
to turn on you need my fingerprint right

1646
01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:26,949
and that's just one step removed but you

1647
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:28,300
need the consciousness so when you see

1648
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:30,250
like for example Chris pletzl so I say

1649
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,750
Chris how do you fly craft and he says

1650
01:12:35,010 --> 01:12:33,520
okay you go in he said there's this

1651
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:35,020
pedestal standing there and it's like a

1652
01:12:39,209 --> 01:12:37,540
B high pedestal and they tell him to put

1653
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:39,219
his hand on the thing so you're either

1654
01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:40,570
people either putting their hand on a

1655
01:12:44,340 --> 01:12:42,670
ball or like a beehive they're putting

1656
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:44,350
it on a flat panel or they're putting it

1657
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:46,449
on I was like a thing on the wall and

1658
01:12:51,090 --> 01:12:49,330
once you touch it they'll all describe

1659
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:51,100
the same thing they'll say as soon as I

1660
01:12:56,399 --> 01:12:53,650
touch the craft I became one with the

1661
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:56,409
craft the craft was alive I and the

1662
01:13:00,300 --> 01:12:58,150
craft were together it's like I was the

1663
01:13:02,250 --> 01:13:00,310
craft and whatever I thought is what the

1664
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:02,260
craft did so it's that idea it's like

1665
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:04,090
the the putting your hand on the cell

1666
01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:05,590
phone and making this cell phone turn on

1667
01:13:09,660 --> 01:13:07,300
so what you need in order to turn this

1668
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:09,670
the UFO on is you need the consciousness

1669
01:13:12,959 --> 01:13:11,530
you need the handprint to turn that

1670
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:12,969
craft on it's done with conscience

1671
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:14,650
turned on with consciousness and it's

1672
01:13:19,129 --> 01:13:16,090
flown with consciousness there is no

1673
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:19,139
steering wheel even if you go back to

1674
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:21,730
what's-his-name Cat Stevens Cat Stevens

1675
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:24,010
the famous musician mm-hmm was abducted

1676
01:13:28,379 --> 01:13:26,050
he said quite clearly and he was ducked

1677
01:13:29,939 --> 01:13:28,389
in London he wrote two songs about his

1678
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:29,949
abduction one was called longer boats

1679
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,960
one was called freezing steel and I

1680
01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:33,520
believe the song freezing steel is

1681
01:13:38,010 --> 01:13:35,590
written in 1972 he said I was on the

1682
01:13:39,899 --> 01:13:38,020
ship the ship of freezing steel the ship

1683
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:39,909
without the guiding wheel and so you can

1684
01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:41,530
ask all 50 people they'll say exactly

1685
01:13:45,060 --> 01:13:43,030
it's like the reading off the cue card

1686
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,070
is unbelievable they'll never say

1687
01:13:49,379 --> 01:13:47,460
there's a control panel there's not a

1688
01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:49,389
steering wheel or whatever it's always

1689
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:51,070
this hand thing and it's always

1690
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:52,630
consciousness is always becoming one of

1691
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:53,650
the ground and then there's these

1692
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:55,210
bizarre little things that make you know

1693
01:13:58,649 --> 01:13:56,080
that they're telling the truth

1694
01:14:02,040 --> 01:13:58,659
for example the guy the the f16 guy out

1695
01:14:03,629 --> 01:14:02,050
of LA same as I have a guy 747 United

1696
01:14:05,220 --> 01:14:03,639
Airlines pilot they'll say this thing

1697
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,230
they'll come in the craft and there's

1698
01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:07,600
people behind them and they don't know

1699
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:09,100
if it's beings or if they don't if it's

1700
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:10,750
human beings and they'll stand in the

1701
01:14:12,959 --> 01:14:11,679
middle of the craft they all tell the

1702
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,969
same start to go I'm standing in the

1703
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:14,800
middle of craft and I don't know what to

1704
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:16,840
do and then they they say I hear this

1705
01:14:20,879 --> 01:14:18,670
voice behind me say go ahead and do it

1706
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:20,889
and then they guy says I don't know what

1707
01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:22,570
to do and then they say you know what to

1708
01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:24,100
do just do it and then

1709
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:25,780
the f-16 guy goes and puts his hands on

1710
01:14:28,890 --> 01:14:27,310
this panel and he said as soon as he's

1711
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:28,900
got his hands on the panel he said it

1712
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,730
was like suction cups on f-16 he said

1713
01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:32,320
suddenly boom he's a [\h__\h] these flying

1714
01:14:35,250 --> 01:14:33,880
the craft he's drunk oh my god he's

1715
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,260
flying the craft and then he takes one

1716
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:37,120
hand off the panel and he's waiting for

1717
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:40,330
the thing to stall and then he's nothing

1718
01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:41,890
happens then he takes his other hand off

1719
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:43,390
he keeps up a couple inches above the

1720
01:14:48,030 --> 01:14:45,580
panel so he can slam it back down if the

1721
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:48,040
flying saucer does but they can take

1722
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:49,930
their hand off but they become one so

1723
01:14:52,830 --> 01:14:51,250
you get the situation like if you

1724
01:14:55,260 --> 01:14:52,840
remember Chris Bledsoe the story with

1725
01:14:57,300 --> 01:14:55,270
John Alexander so John Alexander and

1726
01:14:58,890 --> 01:14:57,310
that's what happens is these government

1727
01:15:00,600 --> 01:14:58,900
officials go and they try to contact

1728
01:15:02,730 --> 01:15:00,610
people like let so how are you getting

1729
01:15:04,350 --> 01:15:02,740
contact how is this coming in who are

1730
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:04,360
you talking to this and that's what you

1731
01:15:06,930 --> 01:15:05,290
got to do you got to look at the

1732
01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:06,940
experiences as to what they're doing so

1733
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:08,620
John goes down there and he sees it

1734
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:10,270
Chris shows him around shows him where

1735
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:11,920
the abduction took place you know all

1736
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:13,450
the different things that happen

1737
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:15,100
understanding there and also in Chris

1738
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:18,010
says they're here you're here and John's

1739
01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:19,510
John Alexander says well how do you know

1740
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:21,340
there I just know they're here I know

1741
01:15:24,540 --> 01:15:23,170
they're here and he said then John says

1742
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:24,550
something but this thing appears above

1743
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:26,170
them and goes flying off into the sky

1744
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:28,030
the reason that they can tell they're

1745
01:15:31,710 --> 01:15:29,890
here a lot of abductees will say the

1746
01:15:32,730 --> 01:15:31,720
same thing I'm in the morning I'm trying

1747
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:32,740
to figure out they're coming today I

1748
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:33,730
know they're coming I know they're

1749
01:15:37,950 --> 01:15:35,710
coming because once you've been one with

1750
01:15:39,810 --> 01:15:37,960
the craft you vibrate the same as the

1751
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:39,820
craft you have the vibration so when

1752
01:15:43,650 --> 01:15:41,770
that vibrations in the area and you can

1753
01:15:45,690 --> 01:15:43,660
sense the vibration and that's why I

1754
01:15:47,850 --> 01:15:45,700
think that people blow out lightbulbs

1755
01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:47,860
that's why they they have electronic

1756
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:49,420
problems is because you're at a higher

1757
01:15:52,860 --> 01:15:50,770
frequency they take you to this higher

1758
01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:52,870
frequency you come back and and then

1759
01:15:57,450 --> 01:15:55,060
you've got this vibration thing that is

1760
01:15:59,100 --> 01:15:57,460
affecting electronics so when the craft

1761
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,110
is in the area and a lot of them will

1762
01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:01,600
tell that I I did the orb saying I don't

1763
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:02,830
whew saw the aura panel I've got these

1764
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:04,690
people who've got like thousands of our

1765
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:06,310
photographs and I always say them are

1766
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:08,530
you actually shooting the the orb do you

1767
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:10,450
see the orb flying around no no I just

1768
01:16:14,190 --> 01:16:12,250
sense it I know it's there they tell me

1769
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:14,200
to go outside and and and I know where

1770
01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:15,550
to shoot this I'm going part of the sky

1771
01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:17,140
and I shoot and all these these things

1772
01:16:20,910 --> 01:16:18,940
appear on the film so it's this idea

1773
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:20,920
that we're all the whole thing it's all

1774
01:16:25,620 --> 01:16:22,810
one thing it's all connected we are all

1775
01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:25,630
one thing we're all vibrating and if you

1776
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:28,150
can if you can get the signal if you can

1777
01:16:31,470 --> 01:16:29,770
get rid of the chitter-chatter in the in

1778
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:31,480
the brain and pick up the signal and

1779
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:33,610
that's why people talk about meditation

1780
01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:36,610
that's why right you have that sort of

1781
01:16:39,620 --> 01:16:37,409
thing where you're raising

1782
01:16:41,989 --> 01:16:39,630
vibration like the mission Rama protocol

1783
01:16:44,509 --> 01:16:41,999
is using mantras the raising vibration

1784
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:44,519
so the being or if you take seances the

1785
01:16:48,049 --> 01:16:46,289
same thing seance is the same thing they

1786
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:48,059
sing songs they'd raise the vibration

1787
01:16:51,529 --> 01:16:49,530
for the beans to come in they can make

1788
01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:51,539
that contact and it's all vibration it's

1789
01:16:55,819 --> 01:16:53,880
all energy there is no nuts and bolts

1790
01:16:59,060 --> 01:16:55,829
and we're making these false assumptions

1791
01:17:00,439 --> 01:16:59,070
that it's it's nuts and bolts but I have

1792
01:17:01,819 --> 01:17:00,449
another guy we're helping him publish

1793
01:17:04,129 --> 01:17:01,829
his book he's a guy out of Israel

1794
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:04,139
and he had the the beings his beings who

1795
01:17:07,399 --> 01:17:05,400
are like green beings that look like

1796
01:17:10,459 --> 01:17:07,409
greys and he talked about them leaving

1797
01:17:12,679 --> 01:17:10,469
he said when they left they left and

1798
01:17:13,939 --> 01:17:12,689
they all held hands in a circle and they

1799
01:17:15,949 --> 01:17:13,949
started to make this circle and went

1800
01:17:17,629 --> 01:17:15,959
round and round and round and faster and

1801
01:17:19,429 --> 01:17:17,639
faster he said suddenly they turned into

1802
01:17:20,899 --> 01:17:19,439
light and then the light got smaller

1803
01:17:23,659 --> 01:17:20,909
smaller it's always a little tiny ball

1804
01:17:26,419 --> 01:17:23,669
and it was gone so the question is is it

1805
01:17:27,859 --> 01:17:26,429
blush is it nuts-and-bolts or is it a

1806
01:17:29,449 --> 01:17:27,869
ball of light and if it's a ball of

1807
01:17:30,770 --> 01:17:29,459
light does it eat bacon eggs toast and

1808
01:17:32,929 --> 01:17:30,780
coffee in the morning when I could see

1809
01:17:34,879 --> 01:17:32,939
it's moving it's moving into this thing

1810
01:17:36,919 --> 01:17:34,889
almost like Bashar says if you remember

1811
01:17:39,799 --> 01:17:36,929
Bashar says we come to you in your

1812
01:17:41,419 --> 01:17:39,809
dreams because now you're in our world

1813
01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:41,429
and that's the whole deal it's this

1814
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,739
world of musicians who pick up songs

1815
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,840
from the from the from the field or

1816
01:17:49,939 --> 01:17:48,239
people who are savants who are able to

1817
01:17:51,469 --> 01:17:49,949
do these culinary calculations that

1818
01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:51,479
there's all this stuff is in the field

1819
01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:53,550
all the answers are there near-death

1820
01:17:56,929 --> 01:17:55,169
experiences and abductees tell the same

1821
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:56,939
story at one point during the experience

1822
01:18:00,169 --> 01:17:58,050
they knew the answer to everything in

1823
01:18:01,069 --> 01:18:00,179
yours and I'll say to them like how do

1824
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:01,079
you know you knew everything in the

1825
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:02,159
universe how do you know there wasn't

1826
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:03,840
something number seven eight nine on the

1827
01:18:06,679 --> 01:18:05,130
far side of the universe they forgot to

1828
01:18:07,939 --> 01:18:06,689
tell you about and because I had the

1829
01:18:10,429 --> 01:18:07,949
download experience just said the same

1830
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,439
thing they'll say I'm not sure I just

1831
01:18:14,659 --> 01:18:12,239
know and that's the thing it comes with

1832
01:18:16,489 --> 01:18:14,669
absolute certainty I know I was there it

1833
01:18:18,529 --> 01:18:16,499
was more real than the real world when I

1834
01:18:19,699 --> 01:18:18,539
came here this is the dream and they're

1835
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:19,709
picking up the spiritual and then I'd

1836
01:18:23,149 --> 01:18:21,510
say well how long did it last how long

1837
01:18:24,140 --> 01:18:23,159
did you know everything and they said it

1838
01:18:25,609 --> 01:18:24,150
was exactly like a dream

1839
01:18:26,689 --> 01:18:25,619
and I said I'm gonna remember I'm going

1840
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:26,699
to remember and I'm coming back I'm

1841
01:18:29,419 --> 01:18:28,289
gonna remember and as they came back it

1842
01:18:31,339 --> 01:18:29,429
was like a dream just dude dude you

1843
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:31,349
disappearing and he said by the end of

1844
01:18:34,580 --> 01:18:32,610
the first day all they could remember

1845
01:18:35,449 --> 01:18:34,590
was at one point they knew the answer to

1846
01:18:40,219 --> 01:18:35,459
everything in the universe

1847
01:18:43,790 --> 01:18:40,229
now it's about positive intention and

1848
01:18:46,639 --> 01:18:43,800
and this is what works for me when I'm

1849
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:46,649
with a group of people grant it don't

1850
01:18:54,140 --> 01:18:51,090
laugh comedy laughter pastrami

1851
01:18:56,890 --> 01:18:54,150
sandwiches yeah I can call them in right

1852
01:19:00,500 --> 01:18:56,900
which says to me that et is hungry and

1853
01:19:02,359 --> 01:19:00,510
they like a good stand-up routine but

1854
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,369
it's about positive intention isn't it

1855
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:04,320
yeah yeah it's a way like there's

1856
01:19:08,089 --> 01:19:05,670
different modalities for example I

1857
01:19:09,979 --> 01:19:08,099
you're Gary Nolan from the guys doing

1858
01:19:12,830 --> 01:19:09,989
the DNA stuff with the experiencers from

1859
01:19:15,109 --> 01:19:12,840
Stanford University right he says I

1860
01:19:17,089 --> 01:19:15,119
don't know how it works but I know how

1861
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:17,099
to make it work and he says I go through

1862
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:19,170
all the problems this is the way the the

1863
01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:20,460
laser was invented this the way the

1864
01:19:23,209 --> 01:19:22,020
hologram is indented you go through all

1865
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:23,219
the problems you worked through it all

1866
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:25,320
you figure you analyze it whatever and

1867
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:27,780
then he says I write it down the

1868
01:19:31,129 --> 01:19:29,820
question I put it beside the bed and I

1869
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:31,139
wake up in the morning and I have the

1870
01:19:34,430 --> 01:19:32,699
answer in my head that's a guy a

1871
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,440
genetics it runs a genetics lab at

1872
01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:36,239
Stanford University if you take a willy

1873
01:19:40,459 --> 01:19:38,550
streamer Whitley's Cooper says I do this

1874
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:40,469
sensing exercise okati Buster's in

1875
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,820
through his mind finger finger finger

1876
01:19:45,589 --> 01:19:43,679
finger finger toe toe toe and he goes

1877
01:19:47,629 --> 01:19:45,599
around for a gesture twice a day for

1878
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,639
half an hour each time and he can tap in

1879
01:19:51,919 --> 01:19:50,400
and he picks it up if you take a look at

1880
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:51,929
this Tyler D guy who I've met a couple

1881
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:54,300
of times this Tyler knee guy from from

1882
01:19:58,760 --> 01:19:56,940
American cosmic mmm when I met him I've

1883
01:20:02,089 --> 01:19:58,770
met him with Chris Bledsoe in a meeting

1884
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,099
at a cottage in in Pennsylvania he told

1885
01:20:05,540 --> 01:20:03,840
me the story about this this invention

1886
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:05,550
that he got that came into his head if

1887
01:20:08,689 --> 01:20:07,500
he read the book American cosmic they

1888
01:20:10,189 --> 01:20:08,699
talked about he gets brought to the

1889
01:20:12,109 --> 01:20:10,199
Pentagon and the the one-star general

1890
01:20:14,899 --> 01:20:12,119
yells out who came out with this idea

1891
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:14,909
and they all point at Tyler D and he's

1892
01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:17,250
he's figures like he's in lots of

1893
01:20:20,060 --> 01:20:18,360
trouble but he came up with this

1894
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:20,070
invention and because I was in the

1895
01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:22,290
download thing there you go yeah when I

1896
01:20:26,450 --> 01:20:25,020
was in when I was in the the the the

1897
01:20:28,609 --> 01:20:26,460
doll I had my own download so I said I

1898
01:20:30,020 --> 01:20:28,619
was very interested so I said well you

1899
01:20:32,689 --> 01:20:30,030
know how did this happen he said I can

1900
01:20:35,060 --> 01:20:32,699
tell you what graph all I remember the

1901
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:35,070
night before I woke up with that idea in

1902
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,510
my head in the morning the last thing I

1903
01:20:39,589 --> 01:20:38,159
remember the night before was a hooded

1904
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:39,599
figure standing at the end of the bed I

1905
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:41,610
said a hooded figure and I said could

1906
01:20:44,899 --> 01:20:42,960
you see its face he said no I couldn't

1907
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:44,909
see its face and that's nobody can see

1908
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:46,110
the face in the hooded figure and that's

1909
01:20:49,939 --> 01:20:48,300
the wisdom being so then I said well you

1910
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:49,949
go to LA all the time he works with kids

1911
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:52,260
in operating rooms he works on his all

1912
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:54,060
medical stuff and I said well you should

1913
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:55,800
go to have on Smith you should go to and

1914
01:20:58,700 --> 01:20:57,210
we actually had it arranged I had a von

1915
01:21:00,530 --> 01:20:58,710
Smith she knew who he was

1916
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:00,540
I said go LaVon Smith will regress you

1917
01:21:04,190 --> 01:21:02,010
and you can find out what the being said

1918
01:21:07,460 --> 01:21:04,200
now what he says is his mogul

1919
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:07,470
he says I sleep eight hours I get up

1920
01:21:12,650 --> 01:21:10,410
then I go to bed back to bed for an hour

1921
01:21:14,510 --> 01:21:12,660
then I get up and I get a glass of water

1922
01:21:15,950 --> 01:21:14,520
and I go ahead and sit out in the Sun

1923
01:21:18,170 --> 01:21:15,960
and I start drink this big glass of

1924
01:21:19,730 --> 01:21:18,180
water in the Sun and they start talking

1925
01:21:21,140 --> 01:21:19,740
to me and that's the thing so there's

1926
01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:21,150
different modalities people are figuring

1927
01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:23,430
out how to tap in and and Whitley

1928
01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:25,260
Strieber is like he says I never drink I

1929
01:21:26,930 --> 01:21:26,310
never drink coffee and never drink

1930
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,940
alcohol

1931
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:28,560
whereas Whitley Strieber says okay I

1932
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:30,030
drink alcohol and only sleep four hours

1933
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:31,770
a day so it's totally different

1934
01:21:36,230 --> 01:21:33,900
modalities but what I almost like Bashar

1935
01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:36,240
says their their their permission slips

1936
01:21:40,940 --> 01:21:39,000
whatever works for you run it just do it

1937
01:21:42,230 --> 01:21:40,950
and and that's so I look at people and

1938
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:42,240
the same there when they look at Chris

1939
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,890
muscle that's why he has like the

1940
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:46,560
president and the CIA and everybody's

1941
01:21:49,670 --> 01:21:48,330
coming to him because he's got some sort

1942
01:21:51,140 --> 01:21:49,680
of modality and they're trying to figure

1943
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:51,150
out because the government isn't talking

1944
01:21:55,580 --> 01:21:53,850
to the beings and so because they cannot

1945
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:55,590
talk to the intelligence they have to

1946
01:21:59,330 --> 01:21:57,570
talk to the people who the intelligence

1947
01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:59,340
is talking to and that makes sense or

1948
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:01,320
even I remember Bedi andreas and they

1949
01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:02,400
were complaining her husband was

1950
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,780
complaining to me about the fact that

1951
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:05,280
they had these low-flying helicopters

1952
01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:06,510
around the house and they were tapping

1953
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:08,460
his computer and stuff and I said did

1954
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:10,290
Betty ever get the drawings from the

1955
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:12,420
craft oh yeah I says they she drew all

1956
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:14,220
that how the crap flies and stuff and I

1957
01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:15,840
said why are you surprised that they're

1958
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:17,550
watching you come on of course they're

1959
01:22:21,170 --> 01:22:19,290
gonna watch you because you're tapped in

1960
01:22:22,910 --> 01:22:21,180
they're trying to figure out how do you

1961
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:22,920
who are you talking to and that's the

1962
01:22:25,850 --> 01:22:24,090
whole thing behind the mill abs if you

1963
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:25,860
talk to Melinda Leslie they bring you on

1964
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:27,510
and they say who are you talking to what

1965
01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:28,890
are they telling you and they're trying

1966
01:22:32,330 --> 01:22:30,420
to figure it out because the the beings

1967
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:32,340
are not talking to the government now

1968
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:34,710
there is a there's another part to this

1969
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:38,880
you mention this earlier and I've I've

1970
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:41,280
noticed this because it's happened to me

1971
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:44,910
hundreds of times where I will take out

1972
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:48,390
my night vision right and I'll look up

1973
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:51,840
at the sky at a specific up the whole

1974
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,140
sky up here right I can go anywhere with

1975
01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:58,320
the night vision grant and I will go up

1976
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:00,300
and go to and see something at that

1977
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:03,120
moment you know I'm not looking over

1978
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:05,730
here where there's nothing I'll be drawn

1979
01:23:12,020 --> 01:23:08,640
to a spot in the sky and see something

1980
01:23:13,730 --> 01:23:12,030
at that instant that tells me and I

1981
01:23:14,380 --> 01:23:13,740
don't know what it is I don't know how

1982
01:23:19,540 --> 01:23:14,390
I'm tapped

1983
01:23:21,070 --> 01:23:19,550
in but I am moving to that section of

1984
01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:21,080
the sky and seeing something at that

1985
01:23:26,650 --> 01:23:24,350
moment thing is that people will report

1986
01:23:28,660 --> 01:23:26,660
this especially the or people I'll say -

1987
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:28,670
are you filming the orb you see it they

1988
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:30,890
say no I just know where to shoot a nice

1989
01:23:35,740 --> 01:23:33,050
thing appears on the on the camera and I

1990
01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:35,750
have a I have a business guy big-time

1991
01:23:41,650 --> 01:23:39,260
business guy here in Winnipeg and he had

1992
01:23:43,390 --> 01:23:41,660
two sightings one was in a lake where

1993
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:43,400
he's watching a movie and it's sort of

1994
01:23:46,570 --> 01:23:45,050
like a UFO he's not really into UFOs but

1995
01:23:48,010 --> 01:23:46,580
it's a UF one with 10 minutes before the

1996
01:23:49,890 --> 01:23:48,020
end the movie he suddenly gets the idea

1997
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:49,900
they should go out and sky watch and

1998
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:52,010
like it's gonna miss the end of the Ruby

1999
01:23:57,310 --> 01:23:54,110
say he gets up and he says and should

2000
01:23:58,810 --> 01:23:57,320
take your laser laser and he says

2001
01:24:00,400 --> 01:23:58,820
something goes flying by it's like 50

2002
01:24:03,010 --> 01:24:00,410
feet away and he hits it with a laser

2003
01:24:05,380 --> 01:24:03,020
and it's just blown away and then he's

2004
01:24:07,090 --> 01:24:05,390
back home again and and later on as

2005
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:07,100
maybe a year later he has another one he

2006
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:08,570
lives on the river Saints coming down

2007
01:24:11,860 --> 01:24:10,460
the river and he sees that he's calling

2008
01:24:13,090 --> 01:24:11,870
so I get out here get out there and she

2009
01:24:15,130 --> 01:24:13,100
comes out and she's looking at the thing

2010
01:24:17,050 --> 01:24:15,140
and then later he's in a party or

2011
01:24:18,700 --> 01:24:17,060
something and he says I I saw this it

2012
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:18,710
was a orange ball it was all like it was

2013
01:24:22,330 --> 01:24:20,510
on fire like it was on oil and stuff it

2014
01:24:24,010 --> 01:24:22,340
was on fire and she says that's not what

2015
01:24:26,140 --> 01:24:24,020
it was he said yeah sort of us he says

2016
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:26,150
no it was the silver craft he said was

2017
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:28,610
yeah I was a silver craft and then he so

2018
01:24:32,260 --> 01:24:30,650
he's got some money so he he goes after

2019
01:24:34,450 --> 01:24:32,270
psychics and people like that high-level

2020
01:24:36,820 --> 01:24:34,460
psychics a guy what one girl who worked

2021
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:36,830
for a guy who's to run the airforce

2022
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:38,570
remote-viewing program she works she

2023
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:40,280
does work with him it's not government

2024
01:24:44,620 --> 01:24:43,130
work but he hires her and he says and

2025
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:44,630
he's asking all these questions then he

2026
01:24:50,140 --> 01:24:47,930
says okay so I had these two UFO

2027
01:24:52,270 --> 01:24:50,150
sightings he says so what are they from

2028
01:24:54,340 --> 01:24:52,280
and she goes maybe where that's from

2029
01:24:55,930 --> 01:24:54,350
they weren't from anywhere he said well

2030
01:24:58,300 --> 01:24:55,940
yeah I saw them he's described this no

2031
01:25:00,460 --> 01:24:58,310
no you sent them you sent them to

2032
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:00,470
yourself to wake yourself up and that's

2033
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,850
the whole thing where you start looking

2034
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:03,920
at this loop of a are you the person

2035
01:25:08,050 --> 01:25:06,290
that's behind the actual experience is

2036
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:08,060
there actually an out there out there or

2037
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:10,370
are we manifesting this whole thing like

2038
01:25:15,220 --> 01:25:12,890
the whole idea of the you know the the

2039
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,230
the world where it's all there's a big

2040
01:25:19,210 --> 01:25:17,360
behind giant computer game and we may be

2041
01:25:21,700 --> 01:25:19,220
the ones that are actually manifesting

2042
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:21,710
this thing and we think it's an outside

2043
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:24,320
force and we have morons and in fact you

2044
01:25:28,270 --> 01:25:26,930
see this thing with experiencers where

2045
01:25:29,650 --> 01:25:28,280
you go into the

2046
01:25:31,330 --> 01:25:29,660
you've gone to the thing where there's a

2047
01:25:32,890 --> 01:25:31,340
near-death experience or the abduction

2048
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:32,900
experience everybody's describing

2049
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:35,210
something different and bi the concept

2050
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:37,040
comes down to it if you are fearful

2051
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,810
you're gonna have a fearful experience

2052
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:40,400
you're gonna see grace but if you have

2053
01:25:43,570 --> 01:25:41,930
these people who are like love and light

2054
01:25:45,850 --> 01:25:43,580
people they're gonna see these these

2055
01:25:47,380 --> 01:25:45,860
beings who are like light beings and

2056
01:25:48,820 --> 01:25:47,390
stuff like this and your message is

2057
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:48,830
gonna be different and it's it's the

2058
01:25:52,810 --> 01:25:50,570
idea because one of the modalities I do

2059
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,820
is psyched in psychedelics so I do the

2060
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,560
John Hopkins psilocybin thing and that's

2061
01:25:57,550 --> 01:25:55,760
what they tell you the same thing as at

2062
01:25:59,230 --> 01:25:57,560
Stanford University they do the remote

2063
01:26:01,810 --> 01:25:59,240
viewing thing so when you're in this

2064
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,820
very plastic world right wait wait wait

2065
01:26:05,950 --> 01:26:03,440
wait wait slow down

2066
01:26:09,730 --> 01:26:05,960
what did you just say you do the

2067
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:09,740
psilocybin thing that they've done

2068
01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:12,770
research on suicide no I oh you are not

2069
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:18,190
doing no so okay let's go

2070
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:20,810
but anyway so they do the thing and what

2071
01:26:25,450 --> 01:26:22,730
they would what it is is when you are in

2072
01:26:27,820 --> 01:26:25,460
this world when you are in the UFO

2073
01:26:30,670 --> 01:26:27,830
experience abduction whatever it is it's

2074
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:30,680
very very plastic it's very easy the

2075
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:31,910
things are manipulative and they know

2076
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:33,500
how to manipulate things things aren't

2077
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:35,570
as solid as you think they are so what

2078
01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:37,250
they what they do in the psilocybin or

2079
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:38,870
whether it's a lucid dream research that

2080
01:26:42,670 --> 01:26:41,090
was done at Stanford University is when

2081
01:26:44,590 --> 01:26:42,680
you're in the experience you can change

2082
01:26:46,330 --> 01:26:44,600
things in the experience so what they

2083
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:46,340
what they do in John Hopkins is they

2084
01:26:49,540 --> 01:26:47,930
they try to stop you from having the

2085
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:49,550
fearful experience so once you start

2086
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,410
getting scared they have two people in

2087
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:52,880
the room who grab your hand and say it's

2088
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:55,490
okay go towards the being whatever the

2089
01:26:59,620 --> 01:26:57,170
being is go towards it give it

2090
01:27:01,120 --> 01:26:59,630
unconditional love and it will turn into

2091
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:01,130
a positive being and you hear this over

2092
01:27:03,940 --> 01:27:02,480
and over again it turns into a positive

2093
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:03,950
being and that's what we think it's a

2094
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:06,290
very solid world everything's solid and

2095
01:27:09,820 --> 01:27:08,210
the more you learn about quantum physics

2096
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:09,830
you start to realize it's not solid

2097
01:27:14,140 --> 01:27:11,690
there are no colors there's probably no

2098
01:27:16,510 --> 01:27:14,150
time in space it's very very plastic and

2099
01:27:17,860 --> 01:27:16,520
we're just in this world where our left

2100
01:27:19,630 --> 01:27:17,870
brain is making us think that

2101
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:19,640
everything's solid and when you get into

2102
01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:21,170
that world you start to realize like oh

2103
01:27:24,610 --> 01:27:23,030
it's not the world I thought it was and

2104
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:24,620
they are just able to do it they know

2105
01:27:27,940 --> 01:27:26,570
things they're not magical they can they

2106
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:27,950
just know how the universe actually

2107
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:33,530
works adstar works in November grant

2108
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:35,690
you're gonna be there we're gonna do two

2109
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,440
nights of sky watching so you've got to

2110
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:41,040
come out with this

2111
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:45,210
and now it requires comedy humor and

2112
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:46,920
pastrami sandwiches and night-vision

2113
01:27:49,940 --> 01:27:49,080
goggles are you down for you want to

2114
01:27:52,340 --> 01:27:49,950
come hang out with us

2115
01:27:53,870 --> 01:27:52,350
I'm down for yeah we'll help we'll have

2116
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,880
some good times all right sometimes I

2117
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:55,440
get frustrated with sky watches because

2118
01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:56,970
people are sort of arguing about some

2119
01:28:00,260 --> 01:27:58,020
light in the sky or whatever and I

2120
01:28:02,180 --> 01:28:00,270
always say man if you saw what I saw

2121
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:02,190
1975 you'd be going to bed just like me

2122
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:05,610
and I turn off I was I didn't see a

2123
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,710
light in the sky in 1975 it was pretty

2124
01:28:10,670 --> 01:28:09,120
close I mean there was no ifs ands or

2125
01:28:12,230 --> 01:28:10,680
buts about what I was looking at yeah

2126
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,240
let's take our break right here our

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Amy Church I guess the night grant

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Cameron and if you ever miss a live show

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Cameron guaranteed hey grant somebody

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just made a comment here it's always

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grant is always a good value he talked

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01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:38,380
so fast you get 4 hours worth of

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conversation oh that is so funny I want

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to kind of jump around a little bit but

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01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:50,179
I want to I want to pick your brain

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01:33:57,700 --> 01:33:54,710
the the Holloman Air Force Base film ya

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01:34:00,189 --> 01:33:57,710
know we know that the government is

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01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:00,199
sitting on lots of stuff like that

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01:34:04,689 --> 01:34:02,570
Holloman is something that we we know

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01:34:08,770 --> 01:34:04,699
about pretty directly you know from Bob

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01:34:11,530 --> 01:34:08,780
AB and Egger but do you think the

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Holloman be look the three videos that

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01:34:18,250 --> 01:34:14,449
are out there now whatever you see in

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01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:18,260
those videos is up to you as an

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individual I don't necessarily see

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anything ét but I don't think that's the

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point the Pentagon did officially

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01:34:31,540 --> 01:34:28,010
release them like two or three times now

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01:34:34,450 --> 01:34:31,550
but that's not the good stuff all right

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01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:34,460
the good stuff is like Holliman are we

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01:34:40,959 --> 01:34:38,770
ever going to get to see those films

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01:34:43,959 --> 01:34:40,969
it's gonna be a while because they did

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01:34:45,580 --> 01:34:43,969
and that's I always talk about how they

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01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:45,590
do this I mean they don't give they

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01:34:48,820 --> 01:34:46,719
always have plausible deniability

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01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:48,830
whether it's the Nimitz film or the

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Hallman film they sort of put it there

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01:34:55,090 --> 01:34:53,780
and then they pull it back so with the

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01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:55,100
homeland film and this is one of the

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01:34:59,020 --> 01:34:56,239
things if you look at these two dark

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01:35:00,340 --> 01:34:59,030
documents that that we put out the the

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Wilson leak and the alien autopsy

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01:35:04,660 --> 01:35:02,929
document both these were reports to Bob

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01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:04,670
Bigelow that's what they work Bob

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01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:06,409
Bigelow had a lot of money he was

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bringing in all these top guys the Avery

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guys paying a big money and he was

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working on and one of the things they

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worked on was the Holloman Air Force

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Base bill so they came to me helped put

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01:35:20,380 --> 01:35:18,680
off came to me and Eric Davis came to me

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01:35:22,210 --> 01:35:20,390
and because I'd worked with Bob and you

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01:35:23,470 --> 01:35:22,220
knew Bob very well and I hadn't you all

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01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:23,480
the background stories and they were

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01:35:26,230 --> 01:35:24,560
trying to figure out the Holloman Air

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01:35:27,610 --> 01:35:26,240
Force Base so what they were gonna do

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with the Holloman Air Force Base story

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01:35:31,690 --> 01:35:29,660
is they were going to actually interview

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01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:31,700
Paul Charl Paul charter was a security

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01:35:37,690 --> 01:35:33,650
guy at Norton Air Force Base that

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01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,700
actually gave Emma Nagar and Sadler the

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01:35:42,430 --> 01:35:40,400
film and he had a rollover car accident

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01:35:44,140 --> 01:35:42,440
on the way to two weeks before he was

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01:35:46,210 --> 01:35:44,150
going to be interviewed by nits so they

2278
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:46,220
were working on this as well but what

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01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:47,450
you got remember with the knit with the

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01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:50,330
Holloman Air Force Base film Bob told me

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01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:51,650
he said they had they had to take the

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01:35:55,330 --> 01:35:53,330
film back they were had the film for in

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01:35:57,250 --> 01:35:55,340
their possession then he had to take the

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01:35:58,630 --> 01:35:57,260
film back and then I heard the story

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01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,640
that there was eight seconds of the film

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01:36:03,730 --> 01:36:01,280
in the documentary the 1975 documentary

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01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:03,740
right and I said Bob you told me it

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01:36:08,350 --> 01:36:05,150
sucked the film back he said well yeah

2289
01:36:10,030 --> 01:36:08,360
they did and then he said I said Bob

2290
01:36:12,940 --> 01:36:10,040
there's eight seconds of film in the

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01:36:14,110 --> 01:36:12,950
documentary is that true oh yeah that's

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01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:14,120
true and I said well you told me they

2293
01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:15,590
took the film back he told me hold stir

2294
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:17,120
is it Bob I know the story about how the

2295
01:36:20,380 --> 01:36:18,770
film went back and who took it the

2296
01:36:21,700 --> 01:36:20,390
Dotson and all that sort of stuff and I

2297
01:36:25,660 --> 01:36:21,710
said there's eight seconds he said well

2298
01:36:26,860 --> 01:36:25,670
it's not it's just background and I said

2299
01:36:28,780 --> 01:36:26,870
it's just background what do you mean

2300
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:28,790
it's just background and he said well it

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01:36:32,260 --> 01:36:30,770
doesn't show anything and then I go oh

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01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:32,270
I'm not then I'm you understood it's

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01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:34,250
like it is you shows it coming over the

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01:36:37,690 --> 01:36:36,560
mountains at Holloman into the base six

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01:36:39,460 --> 01:36:37,700
o'clock in the morning he told me the

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01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:39,470
details like the exact detail six

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01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:40,850
o'clock in the morning four different

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01:36:44,770 --> 01:36:43,370
cameras one on the one on the air with a

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01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:44,780
helicopter three on the ground all this

2310
01:36:49,150 --> 01:36:47,840
kind of stuff and and so he he confirmed

2311
01:36:50,710 --> 01:36:49,160
that they allowed him to put the eight

2312
01:36:51,820 --> 01:36:50,720
seconds of the film in there but it

2313
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:51,830
didn't show anything so it's not the

2314
01:36:55,420 --> 01:36:53,450
classified part and that's what they do

2315
01:36:59,320 --> 01:36:55,430
and and one of the things that came out

2316
01:37:01,300 --> 01:36:59,330
that he told me he said we got anything

2317
01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:01,310
anything we wanted we had Nassau staff

2318
01:37:05,770 --> 01:37:04,310
we had also stuff and I said what about

2319
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:05,780
the film you told me about the film

2320
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:07,610
where they had the Vandenberg remember

2321
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:09,050
the Vandenberg story where where the

2322
01:37:12,190 --> 01:37:10,490
thing takes off from Vandenberg and it's

2323
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:12,200
going over the Pacific and these UFOs

2324
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:13,970
come and they teach and the thing goes

2325
01:37:17,170 --> 01:37:15,770
tumbling into the ocean mm-hmm and he

2326
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:17,180
said would they analyze the thing and

2327
01:37:20,230 --> 01:37:18,800
they they told me who analyzed the film

2328
01:37:22,060 --> 01:37:20,240
and the guy said there's a million and

2329
01:37:23,740 --> 01:37:22,070
one this is a UFO and all this stuff and

2330
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:23,750
I said did you send that one back too

2331
01:37:29,770 --> 01:37:27,530
and he goes no I I think Alan Sandler

2332
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:29,780
still has it I said he still has the

2333
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:32,480
film and he said yeah it had top-secret

2334
01:37:36,910 --> 01:37:34,250
putting all his name on the canister I

2335
01:37:38,620 --> 01:37:36,920
said Ellen Sandler still has the film so

2336
01:37:40,450 --> 01:37:38,630
I said answer a joiner to go get the

2337
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,460
film a and we played around played

2338
01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:42,560
around James Fox found out about he was

2339
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:44,030
trying to get it in his last documentary

2340
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:46,970
that film is in a vault in in Oregon so

2341
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:49,310
you get this kind of stuff but the thing

2342
01:37:53,229 --> 01:37:51,650
is that it always they release what they

2343
01:37:54,490 --> 01:37:53,239
need to know always have this back up

2344
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:54,500
where they can they the plausible

2345
01:37:56,710 --> 01:37:55,040
deniability

2346
01:38:00,130 --> 01:37:56,720
I know helped put off was trying to find

2347
01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:00,140
it because senator Christopher Dodd had

2348
01:38:05,710 --> 01:38:02,480
filed on foi II on the thing and he had

2349
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:05,720
actually gone and they found out it was

2350
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:07,280
that a Navy sink now I don't know what

2351
01:38:10,450 --> 01:38:09,110
that means but I heard this but he'll

2352
01:38:12,460 --> 01:38:10,460
was really interested in he was trying

2353
01:38:12,910 --> 01:38:12,470
to figure out this story and so was was

2354
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:12,920
knids

2355
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,930
and the other related story to that was

2356
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:17,360
at one point this is 1975 when they did

2357
01:38:22,450 --> 01:38:19,850
it they were offered the film in 74 and

2358
01:38:23,979 --> 01:38:22,460
in 75 they do the documentary and then

2359
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:23,989
I'm talking to Bob one time I'm in

2360
01:38:27,190 --> 01:38:25,730
Arkansas I'm talking to my said Bob you

2361
01:38:29,110 --> 01:38:27,200
know it's kind of strange you know

2362
01:38:30,580 --> 01:38:29,120
forward for the location and the time of

2363
01:38:32,530 --> 01:38:30,590
day cuz happen six o'clock in the

2364
01:38:35,860 --> 01:38:32,540
morning I said for for the location and

2365
01:38:37,540 --> 01:38:35,870
the time that looks the exact orys Close

2366
01:38:39,940 --> 01:38:37,550
Encounters of the Third Kind he said

2367
01:38:41,650 --> 01:38:39,950
what I didn't tell you I said no you

2368
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,660
didn't tell me what said he didn't tell

2369
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:43,520
you I gave a copy to Spielberg and I

2370
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:44,570
said no you didn't tell me he gave a

2371
01:38:48,340 --> 01:38:46,130
copy of the documentary to Spielberg and

2372
01:38:50,350 --> 01:38:48,350
he said I told you Annie Spielberg his

2373
01:38:52,270 --> 01:38:50,360
sister was a lying producer she worked

2374
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,280
for me for years we worked on all sorts

2375
01:38:56,380 --> 01:38:54,320
of documentaries and he said when it was

2376
01:38:58,120 --> 01:38:56,390
all said and done so 1977 Close

2377
01:38:59,920 --> 01:38:58,130
Encounters came out which is basically

2378
01:39:00,370 --> 01:38:59,930
the Holliman story told in a fictional

2379
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,380
version

2380
01:39:05,170 --> 01:39:03,040
mm-hm and he said when it came out

2381
01:39:07,540 --> 01:39:05,180
Spielberg's mother came to me and she

2382
01:39:09,190 --> 01:39:07,550
said Bob I've seen your version of the

2383
01:39:10,900 --> 01:39:09,200
landing and I've seen Stephens version

2384
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:10,910
of landing and I liked Stephens version

2385
01:39:14,830 --> 01:39:13,280
better and so you see that there they're

2386
01:39:16,810 --> 01:39:14,840
dropping this stuff and then what

2387
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:16,820
happens is Bob tells me the story so I'm

2388
01:39:20,260 --> 01:39:19,760
going after he says in 1983 they contact

2389
01:39:22,690 --> 01:39:20,270
him again

2390
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:22,700
Paul Charles I said we need you to come

2391
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:24,080
back to Norton so it goes back to Norton

2392
01:39:27,580 --> 01:39:25,760
that's where they keep all the military

2393
01:39:30,460 --> 01:39:27,590
film from all the different services or

2394
01:39:31,570 --> 01:39:30,470
whatever and Charlotte says you know the

2395
01:39:34,030 --> 01:39:31,580
government liked what you did in the

2396
01:39:37,420 --> 01:39:34,040
1970s and they like kid you do it again

2397
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:37,430
and he said it's just who's this is just

2398
01:39:40,690 --> 01:39:39,170
Regan behind this and they wouldn't

2399
01:39:44,620 --> 01:39:40,700
answer the question as to where it came

2400
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:44,630
from and they so what happened was he

2401
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:46,370
said Paul Sciarra was there

2402
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:47,930
and then there was this Glenny Miller

2403
01:39:53,110 --> 01:39:50,960
who was the first agent for Reagan in

2404
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:53,120
Hollywood and he was running the place

2405
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:57,050
him and a governor Scott Kennedy's first

2406
01:40:03,700 --> 01:39:59,360
name Scott and these two guys long as

2407
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:03,710
the general one was a big huge PhD guy

2408
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:07,190
and so the general says I want you to

2409
01:40:10,090 --> 01:40:08,090
pull the film

2410
01:40:11,620 --> 01:40:10,100
Hynek was there he said I want you to

2411
01:40:13,870 --> 01:40:11,630
pull all the UFO film and give it to

2412
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:13,880
honey and Paul McCardle says sorry sir

2413
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:16,250
III can't do that you and you need a

2414
01:40:19,450 --> 01:40:18,110
requisition said god damn I'll have your

2415
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:19,460
ass you pull the film

2416
01:40:22,690 --> 01:40:20,930
I'm telling you pull all film for Hynek

2417
01:40:25,150 --> 01:40:22,700
then he said no general I can't do it

2418
01:40:26,650 --> 01:40:25,160
you need a requisition and Hynek and

2419
01:40:28,420 --> 01:40:26,660
valet valet tells the story they

2420
01:40:29,710 --> 01:40:28,430
actually pulled out because they realize

2421
01:40:31,090 --> 01:40:29,720
they're gonna do the same thing they did

2422
01:40:33,220 --> 01:40:31,100
with the Hulman story because they

2423
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:33,230
wanted jackal a and they wanted Hynek in

2424
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:35,330
on this documentary in the 1970s and

2425
01:40:40,150 --> 01:40:37,600
they pulled up they knew they were gonna

2426
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:40,160
ballet called it the dangling carrot

2427
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:41,690
that they would pull the carrot at the

2428
01:40:44,860 --> 01:40:43,370
last minute full of film and they would

2429
01:40:46,540 --> 01:40:44,870
get burned on this film so they wouldn't

2430
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:46,550
do it and then a couple years ago like

2431
01:40:50,380 --> 01:40:48,530
Baba's kind of doesn't really remember

2432
01:40:51,670 --> 01:40:50,390
too much about anymore but I a couple of

2433
01:40:53,740 --> 01:40:51,680
years ago he was going to do another

2434
01:40:54,940 --> 01:40:53,750
documentary he'll put off was working

2435
01:40:56,260 --> 01:40:54,950
and that's why I'm working on these kids

2436
01:40:58,540 --> 01:40:56,270
who can see through the blindfold and

2437
01:40:59,800 --> 01:40:58,550
the Chinese were doing this in the 1980s

2438
01:41:01,570 --> 01:40:59,810
they had these kids who could see

2439
01:41:03,490 --> 01:41:01,580
through blindfolds and the CIA was there

2440
01:41:04,900 --> 01:41:03,500
and the CIA was investigating this of

2441
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:04,910
course because this could be technology

2442
01:41:08,980 --> 01:41:07,070
like how does this work what can we

2443
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:08,990
learn from this and they were there and

2444
01:41:12,250 --> 01:41:10,880
helped put up was involved because he

2445
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:12,260
was doing their remote doing he was in

2446
01:41:15,130 --> 01:41:13,970
this whole thing and he had told all

2447
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:15,140
these stories and showed some of the

2448
01:41:20,350 --> 01:41:18,170
films to bob emma nagar so bob was gonna

2449
01:41:22,090 --> 01:41:20,360
go with alan sandler and they actually

2450
01:41:23,620 --> 01:41:22,100
went through the Defense Department and

2451
01:41:25,090 --> 01:41:23,630
they went into second stage they went

2452
01:41:26,740 --> 01:41:25,100
through to get all this stuff and then

2453
01:41:28,510 --> 01:41:26,750
the Defense Department decided no they

2454
01:41:30,130 --> 01:41:28,520
were gonna go and document these kids in

2455
01:41:31,870 --> 01:41:30,140
China there's only a few years ago and

2456
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:31,880
do this sort of thing so that's how they

2457
01:41:37,420 --> 01:41:35,090
put it out and I was even contacted in

2458
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:37,430
Hollywood or an agent in Hollywood that

2459
01:41:41,230 --> 01:41:39,230
they wanted me to do a thing they were

2460
01:41:42,910 --> 01:41:41,240
gonna do a thing on the Avery so I think

2461
01:41:45,610 --> 01:41:42,920
Pandolfi was behind this and they wanted

2462
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:45,620
to do a thing on the Avery on these guys

2463
01:41:49,630 --> 01:41:47,840
and they wanted me to be the guy that

2464
01:41:51,190 --> 01:41:49,640
was gonna and I said I don't do that

2465
01:41:52,690 --> 01:41:51,200
Hollywood stuff I mean I'm a researcher

2466
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,700
I don't sit in front of a camera I don't

2467
01:41:55,540 --> 01:41:54,320
memorize lines I don't under cast I'm

2468
01:41:58,180 --> 01:41:55,550
not interested I'll help you whatever

2469
01:41:59,080 --> 01:41:58,190
you want up and he told me that Pandolfi

2470
01:42:02,860 --> 01:41:59,090
was in Hollywood

2471
01:42:05,500 --> 01:42:02,870
and he was trying to get Joe firmage his

2472
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:05,510
material and the agent guy told me he

2473
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:08,030
said this ain't Mohit old Pandolfi this

2474
01:42:11,170 --> 01:42:08,930
ain't moving the needle

2475
01:42:12,940 --> 01:42:11,180
nobody cares about Joe firmage and his

2476
01:42:15,010 --> 01:42:12,950
trying to levitate and that's another

2477
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:15,020
example Joe Furman spent twenty million

2478
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:16,610
bucks or whatever trying to levitate

2479
01:42:20,170 --> 01:42:18,320
this thing one-inch off a table I mean

2480
01:42:22,330 --> 01:42:20,180
if he's doing that and he's got all the

2481
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:22,340
money and connections to intelligence we

2482
01:42:24,700 --> 01:42:23,360
don't have anything if we're trying to

2483
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:24,710
levitate something off table but he was

2484
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:26,090
trying to do that and he said semi van

2485
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:28,610
was there is well trying to promote

2486
01:42:31,480 --> 01:42:30,170
things on alien abduction he was trying

2487
01:42:33,250 --> 01:42:31,490
to get it through Hollywood and that's

2488
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:33,260
what they're doing is they realized that

2489
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:34,730
that's the way you change consciousness

2490
01:42:38,380 --> 01:42:36,290
that's the way you move the needle is

2491
01:42:39,970 --> 01:42:38,390
you get somebody you put it on a TV so

2492
01:42:41,620 --> 01:42:39,980
that a step deck isn't confronted

2493
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:41,630
because you can confront the skeptic

2494
01:42:44,740 --> 01:42:43,370
face-to-face the guy says get out of

2495
01:42:46,930 --> 01:42:44,750
here I'll shoot you you know get out of

2496
01:42:48,430 --> 01:42:46,940
my life you bugging me but if you put it

2497
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:48,440
on TV the step that can turn on the TV

2498
01:42:52,060 --> 01:42:49,970
and say this is a nun since I'll watch

2499
01:42:53,410 --> 01:42:52,070
this thing is crazy stuff and watch it

2500
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:53,420
and doesn't realize that it's the

2501
01:42:57,340 --> 01:42:55,370
subliminal thing that you're watching it

2502
01:42:59,980 --> 01:42:57,350
like like Close Encounters of the Third

2503
01:43:02,020 --> 01:42:59,990
Kind was a real deal the same as I and I

2504
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:02,030
can't say who told me but et the

2505
01:43:06,490 --> 01:43:04,730
extra-terrestrial apparently Spielberg's

2506
01:43:07,540 --> 01:43:06,500
mother had said in an interview and I

2507
01:43:09,340 --> 01:43:07,550
know the person who did the interview

2508
01:43:11,650 --> 01:43:09,350
said to me that she said you know that

2509
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:11,660
scene in et the extra-terrestrial with

2510
01:43:15,790 --> 01:43:13,610
with the stuffed animals in the closet

2511
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,800
where ETS hiding it's a real story

2512
01:43:19,810 --> 01:43:17,600
happened to Steven Spielberg I like what

2513
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:19,820
it's like and so you see that you weave

2514
01:43:24,130 --> 01:43:22,730
this stuff into fictional stuff you put

2515
01:43:25,570 --> 01:43:24,140
the story out but you're able to hold it

2516
01:43:26,860 --> 01:43:25,580
you don't want to lose the story you

2517
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:26,870
don't to lose control the story that's

2518
01:43:30,430 --> 01:43:27,830
what I always say if the government

2519
01:43:32,290 --> 01:43:30,440
wanted to disclose they would stand up

2520
01:43:33,460 --> 01:43:32,300
and tell you so they're not disclosing

2521
01:43:34,750 --> 01:43:33,470
but they're not covering up because if

2522
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:34,760
they want to cover up they do what the

2523
01:43:37,180 --> 01:43:36,530
Canadians have done I was even asked the

2524
01:43:39,310 --> 01:43:37,190
other night again

2525
01:43:40,810 --> 01:43:39,320
what about Canada I said I have a forty

2526
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:40,820
five years I have no idea what the

2527
01:43:43,330 --> 01:43:42,050
Canadians are doing because they don't

2528
01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:43,340
talk about it they just don't bring up

2529
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,630
the subject I wouldn't know who to talk

2530
01:43:47,860 --> 01:43:45,920
to I wouldn't know what department to go

2531
01:43:49,060 --> 01:43:47,870
to the Americans talked at all time so

2532
01:43:50,980 --> 01:43:49,070
they're not covering up and they're not

2533
01:43:52,270 --> 01:43:50,990
disclosing they're doing something in

2534
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:52,280
between they're doing this pull it out

2535
01:43:56,380 --> 01:43:52,850
put it back

2536
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:56,390
this climatization so what happens is it

2537
01:44:01,360 --> 01:43:59,360
starts in the randiss I think was ran to

2538
01:44:04,810 --> 01:44:01,370
put out this thing in the 1960s to said

2539
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:04,820
if you realize that there's ETS here

2540
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:06,410
you've got a climate eyes the people

2541
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:08,330
very slowly you got acclimatize them so

2542
01:44:11,740 --> 01:44:09,650
you acclimatizing you put all this stuff

2543
01:44:12,850 --> 01:44:11,750
you pull it back nobody knows which

2544
01:44:14,620 --> 01:44:12,860
story to believe you

2545
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:14,630
multiple stories and stuff like that all

2546
01:44:18,490 --> 01:44:16,730
this stuff about Eric 51 and nobody can

2547
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:18,500
confirm anything and then when New York

2548
01:44:22,780 --> 01:44:20,810
Times says oh it's for real the US Air

2549
01:44:24,970 --> 01:44:22,790
Force or the government is doing the UFO

2550
01:44:26,590 --> 01:44:24,980
study everybody goes ah big deal I know

2551
01:44:29,470 --> 01:44:26,600
right yeah that's what we're going

2552
01:44:33,129 --> 01:44:29,480
through today that's exactly and and

2553
01:44:36,129 --> 01:44:33,139
what is interesting the the Bob and

2554
01:44:39,370 --> 01:44:36,139
Edgar's saga which he went through a few

2555
01:44:41,530 --> 01:44:39,380
times I mean by that he should have been

2556
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:41,540
reading from a playbook you know by

2557
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:43,730
round two because it was the exact same

2558
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:47,840
situation and we find ourselves doing

2559
01:44:53,709 --> 01:44:51,170
the exact same things today I think

2560
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:53,719
you're absolutely right with all of that

2561
01:45:01,750 --> 01:44:57,920
and I when we look at the Pentagon we

2562
01:45:03,550 --> 01:45:01,760
look at T TSA all of the revelations

2563
01:45:06,340 --> 01:45:03,560
that came out with Leslie Kane in the

2564
01:45:08,919 --> 01:45:06,350
New York Times we find ourselves now -

2565
01:45:11,470 --> 01:45:08,929
that's almost three years ago right it's

2566
01:45:16,090 --> 01:45:11,480
going to be three years grant and we're

2567
01:45:18,580 --> 01:45:16,100
chasing our tails things is that if you

2568
01:45:20,410 --> 01:45:18,590
look at the ASSA program who's the guy

2569
01:45:21,790 --> 01:45:20,420
behind was Bob Bigelow one bigelow had

2570
01:45:23,950 --> 01:45:21,800
the money Bob Bigelow was the guy that

2571
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:23,960
got this whole thing going and he does

2572
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:25,520
an interview and I say it's a critical

2573
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:29,090
interview was done with George Knapp in

2574
01:45:34,060 --> 01:45:32,239
2013 and George asks Bigelow in 2013

2575
01:45:35,470 --> 01:45:34,070
member 7 years ago he says to him you

2576
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:35,480
got remember this is just after the

2577
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:37,130
program shuts down nobody knows the

2578
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:39,290
Bigelow is the main guy and he says are

2579
01:45:43,629 --> 01:45:41,119
you in favor of disclosure and Bigelow

2580
01:45:46,689 --> 01:45:43,639
says no I'm not I'm in favor of

2581
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,699
confirmation you get it confirmed yes

2582
01:45:51,399 --> 01:45:48,800
this is for real and you'd say you don't

2583
01:45:54,010 --> 01:45:51,409
say anything about ata ETS or aliens or

2584
01:45:55,959 --> 01:45:54,020
anything like that that's exactly what

2585
01:45:56,350 --> 01:45:55,969
they did they just did the confirmation

2586
01:45:58,120 --> 01:45:56,360
thing

2587
01:46:00,100 --> 01:45:58,130
UFOs re and you remember them doing this

2588
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:00,110
the the people for New York Times it's

2589
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:01,489
Leslie Leslie Kane we're not saying

2590
01:46:04,359 --> 01:46:03,110
aliens we're not saying it's aliens you

2591
01:46:06,370 --> 01:46:04,369
don't say and you're backing away from

2592
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:06,380
that thing and what Bigelow said in that

2593
01:46:11,410 --> 01:46:08,290
interview is after a couple of years

2594
01:46:13,149 --> 01:46:11,420
then once they're acclimatized then you

2595
01:46:14,379 --> 01:46:13,159
can start talking about aliens so that's

2596
01:46:16,540 --> 01:46:14,389
what I think is gonna happen they're

2597
01:46:18,340 --> 01:46:16,550
slowly moving this in to do season 1

2598
01:46:20,410 --> 01:46:18,350
season 2 see and they drop this sort of

2599
01:46:22,359 --> 01:46:20,420
stuff in there and at the same time they

2600
01:46:23,410 --> 01:46:22,369
do the the fear spin because you're

2601
01:46:25,899 --> 01:46:23,420
trying to get money out of Congress

2602
01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:25,909
you're trying to get piles of money to

2603
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:26,510
get it

2604
01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:27,679
because if you can control us you

2605
01:46:30,339 --> 01:46:29,030
control the biggest story of all times

2606
01:46:33,069 --> 01:46:30,349
and that's why I think what they're

2607
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:33,079
trying to do nube when when we talk

2608
01:46:39,399 --> 01:46:37,250
about Spielberg and his interest because

2609
01:46:44,319 --> 01:46:39,409
if you go back and look at his volume of

2610
01:46:46,839 --> 01:46:44,329
work pretty much pretty much UFO UFO UFO

2611
01:46:49,390 --> 01:46:46,849
UFO UFO experience experience experience

2612
01:46:52,330 --> 01:46:49,400
it's been one film after another each

2613
01:46:55,149 --> 01:46:52,340
one a little bit different the same a

2614
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:55,159
same basic story same messages there

2615
01:46:59,290 --> 01:46:57,679
which would indicate Spielberg knows

2616
01:47:02,560 --> 01:46:59,300
something but I don't think that's the

2617
01:47:06,129 --> 01:47:02,570
big story the big story is the drip drip

2618
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:06,139
out of Hollywood and constantly giving

2619
01:47:12,729 --> 01:47:10,130
us something the today grant you know

2620
01:47:15,879 --> 01:47:12,739
it's it's fast radio bursts it's the

2621
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:15,889
discovery of new exoplanets it's it's

2622
01:47:23,069 --> 01:47:19,360
communication it's the location of

2623
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:23,079
possible life out there and what planets

2624
01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:27,650
asteroid flybys oh Mulla Mulla all of

2625
01:47:31,390 --> 01:47:29,630
that combined with everything else that

2626
01:47:34,029 --> 01:47:31,400
has been happening for the last couple

2627
01:47:36,729 --> 01:47:34,039
of years indicates that the PlayBook is

2628
01:47:37,660 --> 01:47:36,739
is actually happening now I think

2629
01:47:39,220 --> 01:47:37,670
they're just doing it on steroids

2630
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,230
they've learned how to do it in fact

2631
01:47:44,169 --> 01:47:41,840
really I get asked all the time why did

2632
01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:44,179
they why did the Navy come back out and

2633
01:47:46,959 --> 01:47:45,500
confirm this one that already confirmed

2634
01:47:48,430 --> 01:47:46,969
it to release the videos and why did

2635
01:47:49,959 --> 01:47:48,440
they do it in the middle of the pandemic

2636
01:47:52,089 --> 01:47:49,969
mm-hmm and it's because that's how you

2637
01:47:53,649 --> 01:47:52,099
do it you put it this is a just an

2638
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:53,659
expression this is a perfect time for

2639
01:47:57,939 --> 01:47:56,090
bad news so you put it out in the middle

2640
01:47:59,439 --> 01:47:57,949
of something we're a big story and

2641
01:48:01,479 --> 01:47:59,449
nobody pays attention and it gets out

2642
01:48:05,529 --> 01:48:01,489
there the same as when did they do the

2643
01:48:07,930 --> 01:48:05,539
New York Times story in 2017 on January

2644
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:07,940
at December 16th when all the reporters

2645
01:48:10,930 --> 01:48:08,960
are ready to go home for Christmas

2646
01:48:12,669 --> 01:48:10,940
nobody's doing any investigative

2647
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:12,679
reporting and when did they close down

2648
01:48:17,649 --> 01:48:15,440
Bluebook December 17th it's the same

2649
01:48:19,540 --> 01:48:17,659
playbook is you you do this thing you

2650
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:19,550
put it out there where nobody really

2651
01:48:22,689 --> 01:48:21,650
realizes what's going on the story gets

2652
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:22,699
out there and you let it float around

2653
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:25,760
you have plausible deniability and they

2654
01:48:30,069 --> 01:48:28,130
are basically trying to that's why I

2655
01:48:32,290 --> 01:48:30,079
called the book managing magic it's a

2656
01:48:33,879 --> 01:48:32,300
it's it's a story that's not just UFOs

2657
01:48:34,870 --> 01:48:33,889
it's all this paranormal stuff that's

2658
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:34,880
why they went to skinwalker ranch

2659
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:36,320
because there's all our ports and

2660
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:38,210
manifestations that happen to skinwalker

2661
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:39,530
ranch putting bulls in the trailer and

2662
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:40,370
stuff I got it

2663
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:42,590
had not much to do with UFOs so it said

2664
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:44,570
managing that whole paranormal story

2665
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:46,880
getting it to go the same way so if

2666
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:48,170
you're doing a story if you break a

2667
01:48:52,660 --> 01:48:50,810
story saying you discovery of the CIA

2668
01:48:54,820 --> 01:48:52,670
you say I'm gonna do this movie on the

2669
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:54,830
CIA the CIA comes up and says hey Jimmy

2670
01:48:59,050 --> 01:48:57,170
I heard you're doing a movie on the CIA

2671
01:49:00,610 --> 01:48:59,060
you're been to the CIA we'd like to go

2672
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,620
to CIA we'd like to talk to somebody i

2673
01:49:04,500 --> 01:49:02,480
we can help you out and that's what they

2674
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:04,510
do they manage the story and that's what

2675
01:49:08,890 --> 01:49:07,130
what's the name chase Brandon he was in

2676
01:49:11,170 --> 01:49:08,900
Hollywood that was his job he was there

2677
01:49:13,060 --> 01:49:11,180
to manage the stories to help people out

2678
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:13,070
to get the the CIA or is always the good

2679
01:49:16,090 --> 01:49:14,450
guys this is the government's all the

2680
01:49:17,500 --> 01:49:16,100
will help you do this whatever and you

2681
01:49:19,660 --> 01:49:17,510
manage these stories instead of trying

2682
01:49:21,250 --> 01:49:19,670
to kill somebody you either manage them

2683
01:49:22,630 --> 01:49:21,260
or you throw mud in the water you put in

2684
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:22,640
a second story so if you've got a good

2685
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:24,170
story I'll put in another story that's

2686
01:49:26,860 --> 01:49:25,250
exactly like yours from a different

2687
01:49:28,780 --> 01:49:26,870
source that says something different now

2688
01:49:29,980 --> 01:49:28,790
Jimmy Church is full of it Jimmy Church

2689
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:29,990
is lying this guy's telling the truth

2690
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:31,250
and we start fighting with each other

2691
01:49:34,090 --> 01:49:33,650
same as when when Linda and I had a

2692
01:49:36,130 --> 01:49:34,100
thing

2693
01:49:39,250 --> 01:49:36,140
the Holloman Air Force Base story Bob

2694
01:49:40,750 --> 01:49:39,260
told me it was May of 1971 and he should

2695
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:40,760
know he was the guy who had the film in

2696
01:49:43,330 --> 01:49:41,360
his possession

2697
01:49:45,460 --> 01:49:43,340
so then Richard Doty comes out he says

2698
01:49:47,710 --> 01:49:45,470
no no no it wasn't May of 1971 it was

2699
01:49:49,690 --> 01:49:47,720
1964 and the aliens it was at White

2700
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:49,700
Sands and they had the long-run location

2701
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:50,690
it's like they only said the wrong

2702
01:49:55,390 --> 01:49:53,510
location and it was 1964 so Linda starts

2703
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:55,400
telling the 1964 story I'm telling the

2704
01:49:59,800 --> 01:49:57,530
1971 story and it looks like you know

2705
01:50:01,990 --> 01:49:59,810
one of us is lying and yet they put

2706
01:50:04,660 --> 01:50:02,000
these two stories out there to sort of

2707
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:04,670
keep everybody off off base and just

2708
01:50:07,690 --> 01:50:06,410
control the story just keep moving

2709
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:07,700
moving it down because it really doesn't

2710
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:09,440
matter how long it takes them to do it

2711
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:11,030
because I don't that's my name I think

2712
01:50:14,770 --> 01:50:12,410
it's the reason I think they're not

2713
01:50:16,510 --> 01:50:14,780
releasing is I don't think they know as

2714
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:16,520
much as people think they know and it's

2715
01:50:20,050 --> 01:50:18,650
the old game of play the cards but you

2716
01:50:21,700 --> 01:50:20,060
already wants them to put their cards

2717
01:50:22,690 --> 01:50:21,710
down on the table but the Russians are

2718
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:22,700
playing the game and the Chinese are

2719
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:24,170
playing the game if you put your cards

2720
01:50:27,370 --> 01:50:25,760
down you're going to give them what they

2721
01:50:29,140 --> 01:50:27,380
want everybody's working on this thing

2722
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:29,150
because whoever controls us controls the

2723
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:30,320
world they're suppose that's what they

2724
01:50:33,580 --> 01:50:31,760
think if you can get this technology

2725
01:50:34,690 --> 01:50:33,590
especially of the skinwalker ranch when

2726
01:50:35,530 --> 01:50:34,700
you see the stuff that was going on a

2727
01:50:37,150 --> 01:50:35,540
skinwalker ranch

2728
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:37,160
I mean you if you've got that kind of

2729
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:38,810
technology and that's why dia went in

2730
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:40,130
there they weren't really interested in

2731
01:50:43,420 --> 01:50:41,450
UFOs they weren't interested in

2732
01:50:44,860 --> 01:50:43,430
spiritual stuff or paranormal

2733
01:50:47,050 --> 01:50:44,870
they were just winters how do you get

2734
01:50:48,610 --> 01:50:47,060
four balls into a locked trailer and you

2735
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:48,620
see the reports and it says stuff

2736
01:50:53,790 --> 01:50:51,440
through metal metal walls and and that's

2737
01:50:58,020 --> 01:50:53,800
the whole deal is the military

2738
01:50:59,040 --> 01:50:58,030
looking at the the angle of weapons and

2739
01:51:01,020 --> 01:50:59,050
cuz that's their job

2740
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:01,030
it's what laws under says I'm just here

2741
01:51:04,589 --> 01:51:03,130
to protect I'm here he's doing the

2742
01:51:06,030 --> 01:51:04,599
military thing that's what you're paid

2743
01:51:08,129 --> 01:51:06,040
for and the one of the problems that we

2744
01:51:12,030 --> 01:51:08,139
have is is that there's really nobody in

2745
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:12,040
the government who really had like the

2746
01:51:15,330 --> 01:51:13,510
Agriculture Department's not going to do

2747
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:15,340
it really didn't fit into anybody's job

2748
01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:17,050
description and that's why they've done

2749
01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:19,510
the spin thing because you got a seven

2750
01:51:22,049 --> 01:51:20,500
hundred thirty-five billion dollar

2751
01:51:24,089 --> 01:51:22,059
defense budget who's gonna miss another

2752
01:51:25,709 --> 01:51:24,099
ten billion dollars to work on UFOs so

2753
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:25,719
that's where you go so instead of going

2754
01:51:30,569 --> 01:51:27,610
to the aviation people that Leslie Cain

2755
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,579
did in the 1990s and 2000's you move it

2756
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,840
to the Defense Department you put the

2757
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:33,520
spin that these evil aliens are there

2758
01:51:36,990 --> 01:51:35,110
and then that you scare the living

2759
01:51:38,609 --> 01:51:37,000
daylights out of these senators shrimps

2760
01:51:40,350 --> 01:51:38,619
from film and say you know it could be

2761
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:40,360
bad and they go how much money do you

2762
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:41,440
want and they walk out with the money

2763
01:51:45,540 --> 01:51:44,170
and but I still think the guys who are

2764
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:45,550
behind it a lot of them people who keep

2765
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:47,170
forgetting a lot of the guys who are

2766
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:49,090
behind this our experiences like Jim

2767
01:51:51,930 --> 01:51:50,590
some even had the beings in his room I

2768
01:51:53,970 --> 01:51:51,940
mean they were in there and he went to

2769
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:53,980
Ron Pandolfi and he said you know these

2770
01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:56,530
beings are in the room what what's the

2771
01:51:59,700 --> 01:51:57,820
deal you're the UFO guy and he said you

2772
01:52:01,049 --> 01:51:59,710
don't need to know and then some even

2773
01:52:02,850 --> 01:52:01,059
said I don't need to know because he was

2774
01:52:04,319 --> 01:52:02,860
covert ops head of covert ops for two

2775
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:04,329
years I don't even need to know you

2776
01:52:07,049 --> 01:52:05,650
bring your boss's boss in here what see

2777
01:52:08,580 --> 01:52:07,059
who does know need to know and then

2778
01:52:10,890 --> 01:52:08,590
supposedly they bring in tenants they

2779
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:10,900
had the director he says leave it alone

2780
01:52:14,549 --> 01:52:13,599
pretend it's a one-off just pretend

2781
01:52:17,129 --> 01:52:14,559
it'll never happen again

2782
01:52:19,890 --> 01:52:17,139
it'll ruin your career and as soon as he

2783
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:19,900
leaves he gets briefed and all he brings

2784
01:52:24,660 --> 01:52:21,610
him in in briefs and that's exactly what

2785
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:24,670
kit Greene told Richard Dolan that the

2786
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:26,170
people in the government don't have the

2787
01:52:30,030 --> 01:52:28,090
high security clearances but the minute

2788
01:52:31,410 --> 01:52:30,040
you leave the government that's when you

2789
01:52:33,149 --> 01:52:31,420
get the security clearance when you go

2790
01:52:35,459 --> 01:52:33,159
to work for the contractor and they have

2791
01:52:37,140 --> 01:52:35,469
it in the contractor world because it's

2792
01:52:40,830 --> 01:52:37,150
not it's just you know there's no FIA

2793
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:40,840
you know without an ability right yeah

2794
01:52:44,370 --> 01:52:43,090
and there's a there's another

2795
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:44,380
interesting product I'm going to come

2796
01:52:50,339 --> 01:52:46,719
back after the break back to skinwalker

2797
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:50,349
but the interdimensional part of this

2798
01:52:55,530 --> 01:52:53,199
where something seems to be I've seen

2799
01:52:57,330 --> 01:52:55,540
enough of it and so of you something is

2800
01:53:00,120 --> 01:52:57,340
phasing in and out of another reality

2801
01:53:02,609 --> 01:53:00,130
another dimension parallel world I don't

2802
01:53:05,310 --> 01:53:02,619
know how these things manifest

2803
01:53:07,260 --> 01:53:05,320
themselves and when you see it at night

2804
01:53:10,350 --> 01:53:07,270
and you see these things at night that's

2805
01:53:12,750 --> 01:53:10,360
one thing I had a sighting with a group

2806
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,760
of friends that was in the middle of the

2807
01:53:16,740 --> 01:53:14,800
day and I don't know if you've heard the

2808
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:16,750
story I'm not gonna waste a bunch of

2809
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:19,449
time on it now but we saw an object that

2810
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:21,130
was about 14 miles away

2811
01:53:27,149 --> 01:53:24,130
I'm gonna guess and say it was 400 maybe

2812
01:53:28,819 --> 01:53:27,159
500 feet tall and it looked like a beer

2813
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:28,829
can

2814
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:31,840
spinning like this and then it was black

2815
01:53:35,959 --> 01:53:34,480
had a round circle on it and it was huge

2816
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:35,969
it was giant we all saw it

2817
01:53:42,299 --> 01:53:38,650
anyway it's moving across the sky grant

2818
01:53:44,459 --> 01:53:42,309
like this spinning and then I went back

2819
01:53:46,620 --> 01:53:44,469
to my binoculars three o'clock in the

2820
01:53:49,939 --> 01:53:46,630
afternoon blue sky right there right

2821
01:53:54,780 --> 01:53:49,949
right in front of us and it phased out

2822
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:54,790
this giant object that was physical it

2823
01:54:00,330 --> 01:53:57,760
was silver on the top silver on the

2824
01:54:02,339 --> 01:54:00,340
bottom black with this thing and it's

2825
01:54:04,740 --> 01:54:02,349
doing and it's it's huge and we all see

2826
01:54:09,330 --> 01:54:04,750
it Steve Marilla was there well anyway

2827
01:54:12,689 --> 01:54:09,340
it it disappeared in the middle of the

2828
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:12,699
sky in front of everybody now what does

2829
01:54:19,740 --> 01:54:16,090
that suggest you know that's the ability

2830
01:54:21,390 --> 01:54:19,750
to appear and disappear or go into

2831
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:21,400
another dimension right in front of us

2832
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,440
now that's one of the theories I'm going

2833
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:24,880
to do a book on it I call it the theory

2834
01:54:29,819 --> 01:54:26,710
of wow I always hated acronym so I

2835
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:29,829
called tto w theory of wow so what

2836
01:54:34,260 --> 01:54:32,290
they're doing is Jimmy churches here

2837
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:34,270
Jimmy Church has got a voice let's do

2838
01:54:37,709 --> 01:54:35,679
something weird like in the prime

2839
01:54:39,149 --> 01:54:37,719
example is the Nimitz so every saying

2840
01:54:40,859 --> 01:54:39,159
you know Eric Davis is oh then they're

2841
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:40,869
interfering with the Nimitz you know the

2842
01:54:44,399 --> 01:54:42,610
the carrier group and interfering with

2843
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:44,409
our military operations the nothing's

2844
01:54:47,129 --> 01:54:45,730
not even close to the truth

2845
01:54:49,169 --> 01:54:47,139
they're out in international waters

2846
01:54:50,970 --> 01:54:49,179
fishing sightseeing the UFOs or whatever

2847
01:54:52,439 --> 01:54:50,980
and they sit there for a week they were

2848
01:54:56,970 --> 01:54:52,449
there for a week before that thing got

2849
01:54:58,859 --> 01:54:56,980
picked up and they can't see us and then

2850
01:55:01,649 --> 01:54:58,869
finally they chase them and what do they

2851
01:55:03,209 --> 01:55:01,659
do they dropped from 80,000 feet down to

2852
01:55:05,220 --> 01:55:03,219
surface level in seven eighths of a

2853
01:55:07,229 --> 01:55:05,230
second now it's the same as yours why is

2854
01:55:09,390 --> 01:55:07,239
this object going across the sky

2855
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:09,400
cuz when I had them my first sighting

2856
01:55:13,439 --> 01:55:11,440
the first night it blew me away but the

2857
01:55:15,629 --> 01:55:13,449
second night as I was watching it fly

2858
01:55:17,819 --> 01:55:15,639
away I'm thinking what the hell's it

2859
01:55:19,530 --> 01:55:17,829
what's it doing it's not doing anything

2860
01:55:20,010 --> 01:55:19,540
so we had a joke we said it's doing a

2861
01:55:21,420 --> 01:55:20,020
beer

2862
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:21,430
because it was coming from the United

2863
01:55:23,730 --> 01:55:22,810
States we say it's coming to pick up

2864
01:55:25,020 --> 01:55:23,740
beer and it's going back to the United

2865
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:25,030
States we could figure out what's it

2866
01:55:28,860 --> 01:55:26,770
doing so what is it doing it's almost

2867
01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:28,870
like it's just there and it does

2868
01:55:32,970 --> 01:55:31,510
something really weird because you're

2869
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:32,980
gonna tell the story it's like oh I set

2870
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:34,690
the Linda how is it Linda why do they

2871
01:55:37,620 --> 01:55:36,130
take the blood out of the cows when they

2872
01:55:39,780 --> 01:55:37,630
mutilate them and why do they do these

2873
01:55:42,090 --> 01:55:39,790
bizarre cuts because if they did if they

2874
01:55:46,110 --> 01:55:42,100
didn't take the blood out it's just a

2875
01:55:47,790 --> 01:55:46,120
cow it's just a cow in the desert or

2876
01:55:49,230 --> 01:55:47,800
they do the one with it with the heart

2877
01:55:51,300 --> 01:55:49,240
where they take the heart out of the cow

2878
01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:51,310
without an incision well what do they

2879
01:55:54,300 --> 01:55:52,630
need hearts I mean this is crazy

2880
01:55:55,620 --> 01:55:54,310
they do it or why do they take the cow

2881
01:55:57,540 --> 01:55:55,630
they've got the cow in the ship and they

2882
01:55:58,680 --> 01:55:57,550
fly off to the mutilation why do they

2883
01:56:00,660 --> 01:55:58,690
come back and drop it in the farmer's

2884
01:56:02,460 --> 01:56:00,670
yard from 100 feet up or 200 feet up

2885
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:02,470
because they want Linda Howe and

2886
01:56:05,070 --> 01:56:03,850
everybody else to go take a picture of

2887
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:05,080
it they're trying to send a message and

2888
01:56:08,190 --> 01:56:06,850
that's why I say it's a theory Wow it's

2889
01:56:10,230 --> 01:56:08,200
almost like you've got these people on

2890
01:56:11,370 --> 01:56:10,240
earth and you can't you can't go and let

2891
01:56:12,810 --> 01:56:11,380
me say we're here to freak bring you

2892
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:12,820
freedom and democracy Jesus and

2893
01:56:16,740 --> 01:56:14,590
McDonald's because you're gonna pull a

2894
01:56:18,930 --> 01:56:16,750
gun and shoot them so you you do it

2895
01:56:20,490 --> 01:56:18,940
indirectly and you get them to you do

2896
01:56:23,310 --> 01:56:20,500
all these things so it's like I say it's

2897
01:56:26,010 --> 01:56:23,320
like a on a foreign planet the grade one

2898
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:26,020
class says oh let's put you a hos let's

2899
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:27,310
put these things in the sky with lights

2900
01:56:31,380 --> 01:56:29,170
on why do they have lights on them they

2901
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:31,390
don't need lights on them what and like

2902
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:32,560
John Lennon saw the one with the white

2903
01:56:35,310 --> 01:56:34,000
lights around it the red light on top

2904
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:35,320
you don't need lights to fly through

2905
01:56:38,730 --> 01:56:36,970
interstellar space they put lights on so

2906
01:56:40,260 --> 01:56:38,740
you can see them it's all about you

2907
01:56:41,550 --> 01:56:40,270
seeing them and telling the story and

2908
01:56:43,230 --> 01:56:41,560
it's got to be bizarre so it has this

2909
01:56:45,300 --> 01:56:43,240
trickster phenomena where it has to be

2910
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:45,310
really and the more bizarre it is the

2911
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:46,480
more people talk about it they're just

2912
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:48,490
doing these bizarre things to get you to

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01:56:52,380 --> 01:56:50,290
understand we are not alone in the

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consciousness rises so that when a New

2915
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York Times says we're investigating this

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people say yeah I know something's going

2917
01:56:58,260 --> 01:56:57,010
on I've heard these weird stories and

2918
01:57:00,360 --> 01:56:58,270
and that's all they're trying to do

2919
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:00,370
there's no message they're not trying to

2920
01:57:03,300 --> 01:57:01,570
eat us they're not trying to do anything

2921
01:57:05,070 --> 01:57:03,310
they're doing these weird things like

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01:57:06,510 --> 01:57:05,080
skinwalker ranch why would you put the

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01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:06,520
Bulls in the trailer they're saying

2924
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:08,650
watch this I mean this is really get

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their attention or the woman comes in

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01:57:13,350 --> 01:57:11,260
with all the groceries puts all the

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groceries in a way goes in that room

2928
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:14,410
comes back and all the groceries are

2929
01:57:18,030 --> 01:57:16,000
back in the bag it's this trickster

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01:57:19,590 --> 01:57:18,040
thing where people go you're not gonna

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01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:19,600
believe what happened to me yesterday or

2932
01:57:23,610 --> 01:57:21,250
synchronicities and they're doing these

2933
01:57:25,710 --> 01:57:23,620
bizarre things to get your attention and

2934
01:57:27,450 --> 01:57:25,720
they're trying to drag us slowly through

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this consciousness-raising to realize

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01:57:30,750 --> 01:57:29,170
something really weird is going on here

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01:57:32,430 --> 01:57:30,760
and people start thinking about and when

2938
01:57:33,660 --> 01:57:32,440
you come to the conclusion when I come

2939
01:57:35,370 --> 01:57:33,670
to the conclusion you're not

2940
01:57:36,870 --> 01:57:35,380
but if someone else tells you you're

2941
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,880
just going to reject them and say go

2942
01:57:41,700 --> 01:57:39,040
away yeah we had the most you know we

2943
01:57:44,940 --> 01:57:41,710
had the Holy Grail siding grant middle

2944
01:57:47,220 --> 01:57:44,950
of the day 30-40 people right in front

2945
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:47,230
of his clear blue sky moving slowly

2946
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:48,850
we're gonna watch this thing for the

2947
01:57:53,550 --> 01:57:51,370
next hour we're gonna shoot video we're

2948
01:57:57,210 --> 01:57:53,560
gonna do the end end and that was the

2949
01:57:58,710 --> 01:57:57,220
moment and then it disappeared and

2950
01:58:00,570 --> 01:57:58,720
that's the thing is they never they

2951
01:58:02,070 --> 01:58:00,580
never stay around for an hour they

2952
01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:02,080
always like is they not doing anything

2953
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:03,670
they come in for a couple seconds you

2954
01:58:06,690 --> 01:58:05,290
see them and you get sort of amazed and

2955
01:58:08,070 --> 01:58:06,700
then they disappear like they're not

2956
01:58:09,210 --> 01:58:08,080
doing anything they're just coming in

2957
01:58:10,290 --> 01:58:09,220
making you see them and then they

2958
01:58:12,210 --> 01:58:10,300
disappear they're not going anywhere

2959
01:58:13,620 --> 01:58:12,220
they're not picking any way up even like

2960
01:58:15,870 --> 01:58:13,630
abduction how many people ever seen

2961
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:15,880
anybody being abducted nobody they you

2962
01:58:19,470 --> 01:58:17,110
never see this stuff they're just sort

2963
01:58:21,150 --> 01:58:19,480
of going and they disappear very

2964
01:58:22,650 --> 01:58:21,160
interesting let's take a break right

2965
01:58:24,900 --> 01:58:22,660
here grant stay right there

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01:58:26,580 --> 01:58:24,910
our guest tonight grant Cameron I am

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arrows to be church this is fade to

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five hours of discussion in two hours

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[Music]

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02:02:43,410 --> 02:02:41,980
welcome back fade to black I am your

3054
02:02:45,510 --> 02:02:43,420
host Jimmy Church I guess tonight grant

3055
02:02:49,340 --> 02:02:45,520
Cameron always great when he's on the

3056
02:02:51,570 --> 02:02:49,350
show and I had mentioned in my opening

3057
02:02:55,620 --> 02:02:51,580
comments but one of the great things

3058
02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:55,630
about grant is just being able to sit

3059
02:03:01,140 --> 02:02:57,850
and have a conversation and that's what

3060
02:03:04,610 --> 02:03:01,150
we're doing tonight and you guys you

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02:03:09,180 --> 02:03:04,620
know in a virtual sense you're just

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sitting with us and living the

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conversation with us in real time and

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02:03:15,210 --> 02:03:13,210
what would if you were watching on the

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02:03:18,090 --> 02:03:15,220
cameras I have a bunch of cameras here

3066
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:18,100
in the studio and I was showing Grant at

3067
02:03:22,860 --> 02:03:20,800
some of the guitars here in the studio

3068
02:03:24,450 --> 02:03:22,870
that's what we do during the break we're

3069
02:03:26,820 --> 02:03:24,460
just having a conversation as friends

3070
02:03:29,130 --> 02:03:26,830
and and grant thank you so much it's

3071
02:03:31,980 --> 02:03:29,140
always great having you on the show a

3072
02:03:36,570 --> 02:03:31,990
skinwalker ranch and I want to shift

3073
02:03:39,150 --> 02:03:36,580
gears to this because it seems that and

3074
02:03:44,340 --> 02:03:39,160
this is me from the outside looking in

3075
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:44,350
but over the last year we had DeLong in

3076
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:49,210
his TV show on History Channel two years

3077
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:51,970
two seasons of Project Blue Book which

3078
02:03:59,450 --> 02:03:53,890
has been canceled I don't understand

3079
02:04:01,800 --> 02:03:59,460
that and now we have a skinwalker and

3080
02:04:03,930 --> 02:04:01,810
which is on history I haven't seen it

3081
02:04:06,090 --> 02:04:03,940
yet by the way so I can't really make

3082
02:04:09,630 --> 02:04:06,100
any objective comments on it but the

3083
02:04:13,650 --> 02:04:09,640
point being it seems that the

3084
02:04:15,450 --> 02:04:13,660
programming is being developed from like

3085
02:04:17,670 --> 02:04:15,460
almost like the same group of people

3086
02:04:21,930 --> 02:04:17,680
right that that is being put out there

3087
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:21,940
and do you think that we are going to

3088
02:04:28,740 --> 02:04:26,650
just like the long series as skinwalkers

3089
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:28,750
kind of like it the long series too in a

3090
02:04:36,890 --> 02:04:33,130
weird way indirectly but are we going to

3091
02:04:39,540 --> 02:04:36,900
see results or is it going to be like

3092
02:04:41,940 --> 02:04:39,550
Finding Bigfoot right where there's not

3093
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:41,950
going to be a conclusion and we are

3094
02:04:46,980 --> 02:04:44,320
always going to be you know you just

3095
02:04:48,540 --> 02:04:46,990
said a chasing the carrot yeah well I

3096
02:04:50,610 --> 02:04:48,550
think I don't think we're gonna have

3097
02:04:51,620 --> 02:04:50,620
solid conclusions I think it just keeps

3098
02:04:53,629 --> 02:04:51,630
going I guess

3099
02:04:56,930 --> 02:04:53,639
a little more detail a little more

3100
02:04:58,160 --> 02:04:56,940
detail like I remember back in 75 people

3101
02:05:01,879 --> 02:04:58,170
don't realize because I've been at that

3102
02:05:03,410 --> 02:05:01,889
long that everybody thinks what happened

3103
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:03,420
now happened then and it's like it's

3104
02:05:06,890 --> 02:05:04,560
like a totally different world that

3105
02:05:09,979 --> 02:05:06,900
means ups in fact it was believed that

3106
02:05:12,979 --> 02:05:09,989
UFO sightings were random events so if

3107
02:05:14,510 --> 02:05:12,989
you if you saw one you were crazy I mean

3108
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:14,520
if you saw two did lock you up I mean

3109
02:05:18,919 --> 02:05:16,530
you could never claim you saw two UFOs

3110
02:05:20,750 --> 02:05:18,929
because it was so rare every thought is

3111
02:05:22,129 --> 02:05:20,760
a random event and then when but about

3112
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:22,139
Hopkins comes along and writes missing

3113
02:05:26,810 --> 02:05:25,530
time and and the intruders then every

3114
02:05:28,370 --> 02:05:26,820
suddenly realize like all these people

3115
02:05:30,140 --> 02:05:28,380
are being taken over and over again and

3116
02:05:32,149 --> 02:05:30,150
then we just bought into that but in 75

3117
02:05:33,979 --> 02:05:32,159
nobody believed that and you see the the

3118
02:05:35,720 --> 02:05:33,989
phenomena has changed in terms of what

3119
02:05:36,770 --> 02:05:35,730
we believe we know so much more we

3120
02:05:38,689 --> 02:05:36,780
didn't know any of the consciousness

3121
02:05:41,240 --> 02:05:38,699
connections to it we didn't know about

3122
02:05:42,830 --> 02:05:41,250
the missing time we didn't know like

3123
02:05:44,570 --> 02:05:42,840
what the inside of the ship now we know

3124
02:05:46,100 --> 02:05:44,580
a lot of details about the inside the

3125
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:46,110
ship you know it's like 500 watt light

3126
02:05:49,310 --> 02:05:47,760
bulbs the light doesn't come from

3127
02:05:50,899 --> 02:05:49,320
anywhere this it's almost like this is

3128
02:05:52,189 --> 02:05:50,909
description in the engineer death

3129
02:05:53,959 --> 02:05:52,199
experiences like I asked the people

3130
02:05:56,030 --> 02:05:53,969
near-death experience it was really

3131
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:56,040
bright yeah was there a Sun no where was

3132
02:05:58,970 --> 02:05:57,210
the light coming room I don't know it

3133
02:06:00,530 --> 02:05:58,980
was coming the same description as the

3134
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:00,540
UFO experience so there's all these

3135
02:06:05,180 --> 02:06:02,730
details that we've got and yet things

3136
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:05,190
are changing almost like the phenomena

3137
02:06:09,379 --> 02:06:07,679
is changing as well because in in when I

3138
02:06:10,700 --> 02:06:09,389
started we had these ground traces

3139
02:06:12,290 --> 02:06:10,710
member Stan used to say this is the

3140
02:06:14,090 --> 02:06:12,300
absolute physical evidence look at these

3141
02:06:15,590 --> 02:06:14,100
ground traces that lands burns out the

3142
02:06:17,660 --> 02:06:15,600
thing leads the tribe that hasn't

3143
02:06:19,729 --> 02:06:17,670
happened for 20 years at least

3144
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:19,739
there's been no ground traces and crop

3145
02:06:25,729 --> 02:06:22,770
circles only started in 1982 the cattle

3146
02:06:27,919 --> 02:06:25,739
mutilation only started in 67 in the 60s

3147
02:06:30,050 --> 02:06:27,929
and 70s there was there was a stuff

3148
02:06:31,459 --> 02:06:30,060
called angel hair most people today

3149
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:31,469
would even know what angel hair was and

3150
02:06:34,729 --> 02:06:33,210
our day we knew what it was or and it's

3151
02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:34,739
this idea where almost like they keep

3152
02:06:39,140 --> 02:06:37,170
changing the playbook and and they do

3153
02:06:40,970 --> 02:06:39,150
these weird sort of things now all these

3154
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:40,980
people start coming forward with the

3155
02:06:43,790 --> 02:06:42,570
orbs and with the light language stuff

3156
02:06:46,100 --> 02:06:43,800
I would never heard about light language

3157
02:06:47,810 --> 02:06:46,110
until I heard Mary Rodwell had a bunch

3158
02:06:50,090 --> 02:06:47,820
of kids it's five year old six year old

3159
02:06:52,189 --> 02:06:50,100
kids speaking this weird alien language

3160
02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:52,199
and then when I got that suddenly now

3161
02:06:55,250 --> 02:06:53,400
I'm inundated with these people have had

3162
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:55,260
panels with these light language people

3163
02:06:58,729 --> 02:06:57,360
and you see that the phenomena is is

3164
02:07:00,890 --> 02:06:58,739
almost like it's getting more complex

3165
02:07:02,810 --> 02:07:00,900
and that they were revealing stuff that

3166
02:07:04,100 --> 02:07:02,820
we we didn't know before almost like

3167
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:04,110
they are allowing us to see things

3168
02:07:06,729 --> 02:07:04,880
because people

3169
02:07:09,370 --> 02:07:06,739
think all they take the abductee and

3170
02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:09,380
they stop them from remembering anything

3171
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:11,210
but that's not true because they don't

3172
02:07:15,100 --> 02:07:13,370
remember it at first but there's there's

3173
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:15,110
a lot of experiences where somebody is

3174
02:07:18,700 --> 02:07:17,030
regressed and they're their take they're

3175
02:07:20,200 --> 02:07:18,710
putting something in their leg or like

3176
02:07:21,310 --> 02:07:20,210
an implant and they're saying it's now

3177
02:07:23,620 --> 02:07:21,320
time for you to remember

3178
02:07:25,390 --> 02:07:23,630
so people abductee people are at one

3179
02:07:26,979 --> 02:07:25,400
point they actually have it in dreams

3180
02:07:28,479 --> 02:07:26,989
they make you go to a psychiatrist they

3181
02:07:30,939 --> 02:07:28,489
they're driving you nuts you have these

3182
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,949
these terrible dreams of stuff Betty and

3183
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:32,000
Barney Hill same thing where they have

3184
02:07:35,439 --> 02:07:33,770
these dreams and they couldn't get them

3185
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:35,449
out of their head and they went and then

3186
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:37,010
they find out what it would happen so

3187
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:39,290
they're forcing the issue they're

3188
02:07:42,879 --> 02:07:41,570
blocking it in some aspects and don't

3189
02:07:44,169 --> 02:07:42,889
actually tell that person the person

3190
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:44,179
will say well why are you teaching me

3191
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:45,290
all this stuff why are you taking me in

3192
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:46,880
the middle of night like all the time I

3193
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:48,560
can't sleep you're taking me in stuff

3194
02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:49,850
and they said when the time is right

3195
02:07:53,740 --> 02:07:51,650
you'll know what to do and they do open

3196
02:07:56,530 --> 02:07:53,750
people up suddenly people remember what

3197
02:07:58,899 --> 02:07:56,540
happened and so it's this gradual thing

3198
02:08:01,209 --> 02:07:58,909
that that the government is doing this

3199
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:01,219
gradual disclosure but the intelligence

3200
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:02,690
whatever it is it's doing the gradual

3201
02:08:06,430 --> 02:08:04,730
disclosure as well and that's where the

3202
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:06,440
the skinwalker ranch thing so it goes

3203
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:08,570
skinwalker you get them at skinwalker

3204
02:08:12,280 --> 02:08:10,130
and all the stuff is going on and then

3205
02:08:14,169 --> 02:08:12,290
it stops and it's and then Bigelow

3206
02:08:15,939 --> 02:08:14,179
doesn't want to do it anymore he sells

3207
02:08:17,110 --> 02:08:15,949
it and now they've got this thing I

3208
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:17,120
don't know if it's really that much

3209
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:20,050
going on like they're claiming but you

3210
02:08:24,640 --> 02:08:23,360
the the the the the skinwalker thing

3211
02:08:26,770 --> 02:08:24,650
happens all over the place I could talk

3212
02:08:29,110 --> 02:08:26,780
about for example oh this they followed

3213
02:08:30,910 --> 02:08:29,120
the the special forces guys home oh it's

3214
02:08:32,620 --> 02:08:30,920
just it's the hitch-hiker thing it's oh

3215
02:08:34,419 --> 02:08:32,630
it's terrible let's follow these guys

3216
02:08:36,399 --> 02:08:34,429
home and stuff like that and it's like

3217
02:08:37,930 --> 02:08:36,409
no and how follows everybody when you

3218
02:08:39,610 --> 02:08:37,940
become part of the phenomena you can

3219
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:39,620
actually say to someone you say I don't

3220
02:08:42,970 --> 02:08:41,210
think I was abducted I had a dream and

3221
02:08:44,590 --> 02:08:42,980
then I say anything else weird happened

3222
02:08:46,060 --> 02:08:44,600
you oh yeah and just I thought you

3223
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:46,070
everything ever fall out of the sky or

3224
02:08:49,899 --> 02:08:48,290
disappear or reappear in house oh yeah

3225
02:08:52,300 --> 02:08:49,909
and the people and there's all this

3226
02:08:52,959 --> 02:08:52,310
weird stuff that's a checker it's all

3227
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:52,969
the same thing

3228
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:55,610
and with the skinwalker ranch one of the

3229
02:08:59,379 --> 02:08:56,719
key things that I learned from

3230
02:09:01,270 --> 02:08:59,389
skinwalker was with george knapp sense

3231
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:01,280
because not everybody had an experience

3232
02:09:04,450 --> 02:09:02,810
there so you're saying oh it's the area

3233
02:09:05,470 --> 02:09:04,460
it's the area and that's why they're

3234
02:09:07,180 --> 02:09:05,480
having this stuff because there's

3235
02:09:10,510 --> 02:09:07,190
something in the ground or whatever but

3236
02:09:12,370 --> 02:09:10,520
john alexander ran nits he was the

3237
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:12,380
general manager whatever for needs he

3238
02:09:14,590 --> 02:09:13,130
was there all the time

3239
02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:14,600
George Neff tells the story I was

3240
02:09:17,290 --> 02:09:16,130
sitting out there with the bugs and he

3241
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:17,300
said I'm waiting for him to come to get

3242
02:09:19,390 --> 02:09:17,810
me and

3243
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:19,400
never saw a thing when I was there and

3244
02:09:24,370 --> 02:09:21,890
then George Knapp said the guys who are

3245
02:09:26,140 --> 02:09:24,380
the most aggressive to the phenomena had

3246
02:09:28,150 --> 02:09:26,150
the worst experiences and this is this

3247
02:09:29,590 --> 02:09:28,160
manifestation thing this is this idea

3248
02:09:31,330 --> 02:09:29,600
that you are you are part of the

3249
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:31,340
phenomena you're having and now so I

3250
02:09:34,540 --> 02:09:32,690
said to them I said were these guys

3251
02:09:36,910 --> 02:09:34,550
armed because he had special forces guys

3252
02:09:38,140 --> 02:09:36,920
Bigelow special forces guy were they

3253
02:09:39,220 --> 02:09:38,150
armed they were gonna go and you

3254
02:09:41,170 --> 02:09:39,230
remember the story where they're going

3255
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:41,180
down the portal opens and then they get

3256
02:09:44,980 --> 02:09:42,410
this voice in their head and they say

3257
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:44,990
you are to leave you are not welcome and

3258
02:09:49,210 --> 02:09:46,970
these special forces guys are absolutely

3259
02:09:51,340 --> 02:09:49,220
traumatized they go home and they have

3260
02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:51,350
the port stuff they have the wine

3261
02:09:54,670 --> 02:09:53,090
bottles flying across the room smashing

3262
02:09:56,380 --> 02:09:54,680
into the wall and stuff like that at

3263
02:09:57,580 --> 02:09:56,390
home and the people that they're living

3264
02:10:00,190 --> 02:09:57,590
with actually move out because it's so

3265
02:10:02,140 --> 02:10:00,200
paranormal it's so weird and so violent

3266
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:02,150
and and then you go back and you look at

3267
02:10:07,420 --> 02:10:05,570
other examples like Michael Talbot

3268
02:10:09,070 --> 02:10:07,430
Michael Talbot wrote the book the

3269
02:10:10,690 --> 02:10:09,080
holographic universe and that's where we

3270
02:10:12,700 --> 02:10:10,700
started to get in this idea it may not

3271
02:10:15,310 --> 02:10:12,710
be the word universe we think Michael

3272
02:10:18,340 --> 02:10:15,320
Talbot according to Linda Howe Budd

3273
02:10:20,680 --> 02:10:18,350
Hopkins told her that he was a client

3274
02:10:22,810 --> 02:10:20,690
that he was an abductee and he wrote

3275
02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:22,820
this book and he says when he was a

3276
02:10:26,860 --> 02:10:25,130
child like every other UFO experience he

3277
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:26,870
had poltergeist experiences in his house

3278
02:10:30,820 --> 02:10:28,850
there was gravel on the roof his father

3279
02:10:32,350 --> 02:10:30,830
would give these shovels of gravel off

3280
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:32,360
the roof and stuff like that and he said

3281
02:10:35,890 --> 02:10:34,010
when he was in a good mood the

3282
02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:35,900
poltergeist was very playful and it

3283
02:10:38,230 --> 02:10:37,610
would hang the socks off the plants and

3284
02:10:39,880 --> 02:10:38,240
stuff like that

3285
02:10:41,710 --> 02:10:39,890
but when he was in a bad mood he wake up

3286
02:10:43,450 --> 02:10:41,720
with needle marks and pin marks in his

3287
02:10:45,790 --> 02:10:43,460
arm and that's this whole thing with

3288
02:10:47,140 --> 02:10:45,800
skinwalker ranch is that you are part of

3289
02:10:48,700 --> 02:10:47,150
the phenomena so the people who are

3290
02:10:50,440 --> 02:10:48,710
having the experiences were not George

3291
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:50,450
now we're not John Alexander they're

3292
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:51,050
Erik Davis

3293
02:10:57,010 --> 02:10:55,370
experience with a UFO over has had

3294
02:10:59,080 --> 02:10:57,020
daylight experience when he had his

3295
02:11:00,730 --> 02:10:59,090
graduation party when he got his PhD him

3296
02:11:02,080 --> 02:11:00,740
and his wife and nobody else saw it and

3297
02:11:03,730 --> 02:11:02,090
they were sitting there and had lights

3298
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:03,740
on it and a big triangle comes flying

3299
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:05,690
over he's an experiencer and that's what

3300
02:11:09,820 --> 02:11:07,250
you start to see is that these

3301
02:11:11,110 --> 02:11:09,830
experiences are part of the story and

3302
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:11,120
and they're the ones that had the

3303
02:11:18,090 --> 02:11:13,040
experience that skinwalker ranch his

3304
02:11:21,940 --> 02:11:18,100
skinwalker in your opinion is this an ET

3305
02:11:24,550 --> 02:11:21,950
story or is this a supernatural story I

3306
02:11:26,890 --> 02:11:24,560
think it's more of poltergeist III get

3307
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:26,900
in the book I think I know I'm doing a

3308
02:11:31,120 --> 02:11:28,490
book on reports of manifestations I

3309
02:11:33,790 --> 02:11:31,130
think I've got 20 items so

3310
02:11:36,430 --> 02:11:33,800
they had like the the the thing with the

3311
02:11:38,140 --> 02:11:36,440
groceries then they had the the post

3312
02:11:39,970 --> 02:11:38,150
hole auger that ends up in the top of

3313
02:11:42,459 --> 02:11:39,980
the tree disappear that's all a port

3314
02:11:44,410 --> 02:11:42,469
manifestations it happens in seances it

3315
02:11:45,310 --> 02:11:44,420
happens around UFO experiences all the

3316
02:11:46,959 --> 02:11:45,320
time they'll tell you the same thing

3317
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:46,969
that these kind of things are appearing

3318
02:11:50,890 --> 02:11:48,560
and disappearing stuff yeah and the

3319
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:50,900
Bulls was the was the catch and and then

3320
02:11:53,919 --> 02:11:52,370
when they bring in again you bring in

3321
02:11:54,729 --> 02:11:53,929
the guy from the DIA the guy that were

3322
02:11:58,030 --> 02:11:54,739
on the DIA

3323
02:11:59,800 --> 02:11:58,040
program before Elizondo he comes in and

3324
02:12:01,899 --> 02:11:59,810
he sees this infinity sign made out of

3325
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:01,909
metal he goes onto the ranch he gets

3326
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:03,530
brought on the ranch and he sees this

3327
02:12:06,459 --> 02:12:04,880
and that's when he decides they're gonna

3328
02:12:08,500 --> 02:12:06,469
go in there but that's all their

3329
02:12:10,870 --> 02:12:08,510
interest that's all dia and and and

3330
02:12:12,340 --> 02:12:10,880
Jacmel they at one point said he was

3331
02:12:13,450 --> 02:12:12,350
involved in skinwalker ranch he said it

3332
02:12:16,479 --> 02:12:13,460
about the only thing we didn't have at

3333
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:16,489
skinwalker ranch was UFOs and that's the

3334
02:12:22,090 --> 02:12:19,610
thing what I find so interesting about

3335
02:12:23,680 --> 02:12:22,100
skinwalker because you and I have been

3336
02:12:27,129 --> 02:12:23,690
to different locations around the

3337
02:12:30,459 --> 02:12:27,139
country where things seem to be location

3338
02:12:33,399 --> 02:12:30,469
specific I would say that that I'm

3339
02:12:38,080 --> 02:12:33,409
pretty confident in saying that at

3340
02:12:39,820 --> 02:12:38,090
skinwalker nothing in the sky right

3341
02:12:42,879 --> 02:12:39,830
everything is everything is on the

3342
02:12:44,709 --> 02:12:42,889
ground involving humans yeah and that's

3343
02:12:46,660 --> 02:12:44,719
why dia was interested in it because of

3344
02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:46,670
the military applications of putting

3345
02:12:50,410 --> 02:12:48,320
things through walls and making things

3346
02:12:51,660 --> 02:12:50,420
appear and disappear I mean not you can

3347
02:12:54,370 --> 02:12:51,670
understand why they would be

3348
02:12:56,379 --> 02:12:54,380
investigating that and every had has

3349
02:12:58,300 --> 02:12:56,389
been turned into sonica UFO story and

3350
02:12:59,770 --> 02:12:58,310
when you start to look I mean there

3351
02:13:01,990 --> 02:12:59,780
aren't you a host there's these orb

3352
02:13:03,879 --> 02:13:02,000
things which are big part of the UFO

3353
02:13:08,950 --> 02:13:03,889
phenomena but stuff on the ground

3354
02:13:10,149 --> 02:13:08,960
portals may be related to and again they

3355
02:13:11,860 --> 02:13:10,159
would be very interested in the portal

3356
02:13:13,750 --> 02:13:11,870
thing they even contacted me they were

3357
02:13:16,629 --> 02:13:13,760
sort of because I was I was following

3358
02:13:17,770 --> 02:13:16,639
the mission Rama thing I sort of made

3359
02:13:19,390 --> 02:13:17,780
that story public in the

3360
02:13:20,709 --> 02:13:19,400
english-speaking world where they had

3361
02:13:22,570 --> 02:13:20,719
these Enders where people are inside

3362
02:13:24,459 --> 02:13:22,580
these end resilience are in there and

3363
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:24,469
there's seven people and they're seeing

3364
02:13:28,780 --> 02:13:25,730
all this stuff and they can open up

3365
02:13:30,430 --> 02:13:28,790
these end result or ttles and I know

3366
02:13:32,260 --> 02:13:30,440
Pandolfi was really interested in that

3367
02:13:34,030 --> 02:13:32,270
stuff in fact I've got him on camera the

3368
02:13:35,439 --> 02:13:34,040
one time he's really really angry he was

3369
02:13:38,260 --> 02:13:35,449
on a cruise ship going through the

3370
02:13:39,580 --> 02:13:38,270
Panama Canal and he's on camera the only

3371
02:13:42,129 --> 02:13:39,590
time he's ever been caught on camera and

3372
02:13:43,510 --> 02:13:42,139
that's where he says they put in this

3373
02:13:44,620 --> 02:13:43,520
portal story out and then this thing

3374
02:13:46,330 --> 02:13:44,630
came and

3375
02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:46,340
wife system okay foot man what do you

3376
02:13:49,780 --> 02:13:48,290
say and that's his code name like he's

3377
02:13:51,070 --> 02:13:49,790
the foot man and she's the princess you

3378
02:13:53,260 --> 02:13:51,080
know he's taking care of her whatever

3379
02:13:56,770 --> 02:13:53,270
and then he says he's sitting there and

3380
02:13:58,240 --> 02:13:56,780
he's and he says you know everybody's

3381
02:14:00,399 --> 02:13:58,250
wondered what it's like to go into the

3382
02:14:03,189 --> 02:14:00,409
next world and they says the next time

3383
02:14:05,169 --> 02:14:03,199
John and this John guy is a guy he went

3384
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:05,179
to UCLA I think with John he was a guy

3385
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:07,010
University with him does John guy is

3386
02:14:10,180 --> 02:14:08,480
sitting beside him in Johnson or clean

3387
02:14:11,770 --> 02:14:10,190
he's Ross he's looking at him he says

3388
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:11,780
next time John goes to the desert a

3389
02:14:16,060 --> 02:14:14,210
number of people in this room will go

3390
02:14:18,669 --> 02:14:16,070
into the next world and come back again

3391
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:18,679
and so I grab this he put on his wife's

3392
02:14:21,250 --> 02:14:20,330
face book pack and I grab this thing and

3393
02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:21,260
he was really angry

3394
02:14:25,300 --> 02:14:23,570
Maccabi at home but he said that camera

3395
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:25,310
is a fake and it's like well he put on

3396
02:14:27,669 --> 02:14:26,690
face and it's the only time we got

3397
02:14:30,610 --> 02:14:27,679
caught but he's talking about this

3398
02:14:32,410 --> 02:14:30,620
portal idea and and he kept repeating or

3399
02:14:34,330 --> 02:14:32,420
even his daughter they get Joe firma

3400
02:14:36,280 --> 02:14:34,340
John with his daughter and his daughters

3401
02:14:38,110 --> 02:14:36,290
like six years old and and they said you

3402
02:14:40,360 --> 02:14:38,120
got a question for Joe for image he says

3403
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:40,370
yeah she comes Isis how many turtles do

3404
02:14:44,260 --> 02:14:41,770
you have in your house and I'm going a

3405
02:14:45,970 --> 02:14:44,270
six-year-old kid is saying that they're

3406
02:14:47,439 --> 02:14:45,980
talking there's something's going on and

3407
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:47,449
so I hung onto that and that's that

3408
02:14:51,310 --> 02:14:49,130
whole thing that's what kid green says

3409
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:51,320
when when Penniston said you're gonna

3410
02:14:53,919 --> 02:14:52,730
tell me what the hell's going on here he

3411
02:14:54,490 --> 02:14:53,929
says propulsion would mean its

3412
02:14:55,899 --> 02:14:54,500
propulsion

3413
02:14:58,540 --> 02:14:55,909
he said we're trying to figure out how

3414
02:14:59,919 --> 02:14:58,550
does it pop in and pop back out because

3415
02:15:02,050 --> 02:14:59,929
that's what it's doing it's not coming

3416
02:15:04,419 --> 02:15:02,060
it's not flying in and so what you saw

3417
02:15:05,979 --> 02:15:04,429
it pops in it disappears it reappears

3418
02:15:09,070 --> 02:15:05,989
and it's almost like it goes into

3419
02:15:11,439 --> 02:15:09,080
another dimension or something and NCI

3420
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:11,449
and KITT Green said there was eight guys

3421
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:12,530
working and it looks like they got

3422
02:15:15,459 --> 02:15:14,330
Defense Department money and they're

3423
02:15:16,840 --> 02:15:15,469
working on this thing they're trying to

3424
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:16,850
figure out this thing how does it move

3425
02:15:19,629 --> 02:15:18,650
in how does it move out hey any when you

3426
02:15:21,580 --> 02:15:19,639
look at I don't know if you heard the

3427
02:15:23,860 --> 02:15:21,590
release tape that KITT Green had leaked

3428
02:15:25,300 --> 02:15:23,870
out and I got ahold this tape I gave it

3429
02:15:26,830 --> 02:15:25,310
to Burroughs Brewer said no it's not kid

3430
02:15:28,060 --> 02:15:26,840
green no no it's not kick green and then

3431
02:15:32,020 --> 02:15:28,070
he went to kick green crate Kent yeah

3432
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:32,030
it's me and and on the tape you think

3433
02:15:33,970 --> 02:15:33,290
while they're doing nuts and bolts and

3434
02:15:35,500 --> 02:15:33,980
stuff like that

3435
02:15:36,879 --> 02:15:35,510
no they're doing skinwalker type stuff

3436
02:15:39,939 --> 02:15:36,889
they've got this woman her name is Kay

3437
02:15:42,129 --> 02:15:39,949
Randall Mae and kid greens talking to

3438
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:42,139
her and it's on tape and then what kid

3439
02:15:45,220 --> 02:15:43,520
green says when he was confronted he

3440
02:15:47,290 --> 02:15:45,230
said well I'll tell you what the client

3441
02:15:48,280 --> 02:15:47,300
released the tape legally I can't talk

3442
02:15:50,200 --> 02:15:48,290
about it end of story

3443
02:15:52,090 --> 02:15:50,210
so he wouldn't refer but he's saying to

3444
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:52,100
the woman he says you're 95 percent

3445
02:15:57,310 --> 02:15:55,010
accurate and he said who are we dealing

3446
02:15:58,480 --> 02:15:57,320
with and she says there's a portal off

3447
02:16:00,910 --> 02:15:58,490
the coast of California

3448
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:00,920
underwater and and she's going I'm going

3449
02:16:06,190 --> 02:16:04,400
Wow it's like this is KITT green ran you

3450
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:06,200
know life sciences that the CIA was the

3451
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:08,090
head of the weird desk and he's talking

3452
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:10,880
to this woman like in wool land and he's

3453
02:16:14,110 --> 02:16:12,890
talking to her trying to get answers out

3454
02:16:15,850 --> 02:16:14,120
of it's the same thing as Chris but so

3455
02:16:17,740 --> 02:16:15,860
you go to these people you got in the

3456
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:17,750
field she's in the field she's a medium

3457
02:16:22,420 --> 02:16:20,810
she's a very accurate and then he starts

3458
02:16:23,500 --> 02:16:22,430
talking about this test and I remember

3459
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:23,510
of this test they were gonna run with

3460
02:16:27,100 --> 02:16:25,130
the Chinese kid Green was gonna run this

3461
02:16:30,220 --> 02:16:27,110
test with a Chinese we're what they do

3462
02:16:31,810 --> 02:16:30,230
is they put one person in in an MRI then

3463
02:16:33,370 --> 02:16:31,820
he put another person in the MRI and

3464
02:16:35,410 --> 02:16:33,380
they were gonna do it from China to

3465
02:16:36,790 --> 02:16:35,420
America and then the one person would

3466
02:16:38,680 --> 02:16:36,800
send a telepathic message to the other

3467
02:16:40,810 --> 02:16:38,690
and knew had the MRI and they would be

3468
02:16:42,550 --> 02:16:40,820
able to see his consciousness non-local

3469
02:16:44,500 --> 02:16:42,560
what does it take time for the signal to

3470
02:16:46,120 --> 02:16:44,510
go across or is it instantaneous and on

3471
02:16:48,340 --> 02:16:46,130
this tape he's talking about putting

3472
02:16:50,410 --> 02:16:48,350
this woman in one MRI and putting uri

3473
02:16:52,030 --> 02:16:50,420
geller in the MRI and uri geller is not

3474
02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:52,040
bringing his cameras in to film this

3475
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:53,330
thing cuz yuri always must be on camera

3476
02:16:55,900 --> 02:16:54,530
and stuff and he's not bringing his

3477
02:16:57,100 --> 02:16:55,910
cameras he's not going to be doing this

3478
02:16:58,930 --> 02:16:57,110
and they were gonna run this experiment

3479
02:17:01,210 --> 02:16:58,940
again and i don't know what happened to

3480
02:17:03,820 --> 02:17:01,220
it but you see this thing where when i

3481
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:03,830
start to see those kind of leaks then i

3482
02:17:07,330 --> 02:17:06,110
see that then they understand there's

3483
02:17:09,100 --> 02:17:07,340
something really weird there's a

3484
02:17:11,410 --> 02:17:09,110
phenomena going on and that's why

3485
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:11,420
they're looking at the DNA of the of the

3486
02:17:15,190 --> 02:17:13,370
experiences and look at the am i is

3487
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:15,200
there something in the brain that that's

3488
02:17:18,910 --> 02:17:17,090
an antenna that's picking up the signal

3489
02:17:20,290 --> 02:17:18,920
because they're trying to figure out how

3490
02:17:22,630 --> 02:17:20,300
do they make this connection and

3491
02:17:25,240 --> 02:17:22,640
everything they learn can be turned into

3492
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:25,250
weapons it can be turned into you know

3493
02:17:28,810 --> 02:17:27,200
information and they're trying to figure

3494
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:28,820
out how the universe works and that's

3495
02:17:31,930 --> 02:17:30,170
why I sort of get frustrated a lot of

3496
02:17:33,580 --> 02:17:31,940
time where the UFO community that people

3497
02:17:35,020 --> 02:17:33,590
are into like the sightings and stuff

3498
02:17:37,390 --> 02:17:35,030
and it's fine it's sightings whatever

3499
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:37,400
but we what we do in documentaries is we

3500
02:17:41,590 --> 02:17:39,050
keep doing the same thing so we do

3501
02:17:43,570 --> 02:17:41,600
Rendlesham we do Roswell now we got

3502
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:43,580
Nimitz and then we do Travis Walton and

3503
02:17:47,470 --> 02:17:45,050
then the next series comes up and then

3504
02:17:48,940 --> 02:17:47,480
we do Rendlesham we do Travis Walton and

3505
02:17:50,920 --> 02:17:48,950
we tell the same stories over and over

3506
02:17:52,900 --> 02:17:50,930
again instead of saying okay UFOs are

3507
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:52,910
real even now the government has said

3508
02:17:56,710 --> 02:17:54,800
UFOs are real and people are still out

3509
02:17:58,330 --> 02:17:56,720
there trying to get more cases to prove

3510
02:18:00,460 --> 02:17:58,340
UFOs are real and it's almost like the

3511
02:18:02,200 --> 02:18:00,470
Rodney Dangerfield I always say people

3512
02:18:04,300 --> 02:18:02,210
should be like me where the thing goes

3513
02:18:06,010 --> 02:18:04,310
right in my face the first time I saw it

3514
02:18:07,570 --> 02:18:06,020
and then you don't you never worry about

3515
02:18:09,220 --> 02:18:07,580
is it real but people it's almost like

3516
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:09,230
they they feel bad because they're in

3517
02:18:11,740 --> 02:18:10,160
the UFO field and they're trying to

3518
02:18:12,910 --> 02:18:11,750
prove it to their friends and neighbors

3519
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:12,920
they say invite your friends and

3520
02:18:17,080 --> 02:18:15,290
neighbors get beyond the UFO it's real

3521
02:18:19,870 --> 02:18:17,090
let's try to figure out now why they

3522
02:18:21,370 --> 02:18:19,880
here what's going on and majority UFO

3523
02:18:23,979 --> 02:18:21,380
community they say well that's anecdotal

3524
02:18:25,479 --> 02:18:23,989
well it's all anecdotal you saw UFO

3525
02:18:28,509 --> 02:18:25,489
sighting the Nimitz thing was you know

3526
02:18:30,190 --> 02:18:28,519
has the film you're taking their word

3527
02:18:32,530 --> 02:18:30,200
for it that pilots you're taking their

3528
02:18:34,120 --> 02:18:32,540
word for it it in in it's all going to

3529
02:18:37,240 --> 02:18:34,130
be belief systems but we have to get

3530
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:37,250
past just the how many green ones and

3531
02:18:41,950 --> 02:18:39,050
red ones and fast ones and slow ones and

3532
02:18:43,599 --> 02:18:41,960
I realized that the experiencer is

3533
02:18:44,889 --> 02:18:43,609
unlike the government the experience is

3534
02:18:46,269 --> 02:18:44,899
the people are interacting with the

3535
02:18:48,669 --> 02:18:46,279
intelligence and there's a lot of them

3536
02:18:50,110 --> 02:18:48,679
that they're telling the truth and that

3537
02:18:51,219 --> 02:18:50,120
you can learn something from them and

3538
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:51,229
they will tell you the government won't

3539
02:18:53,740 --> 02:18:52,399
tell you what's going on but the

3540
02:18:55,150 --> 02:18:53,750
experience yours will tell you when you

3541
02:18:56,679 --> 02:18:55,160
sit there with Chris Bledsoe and you

3542
02:18:58,809 --> 02:18:56,689
start hearing the people around him and

3543
02:19:00,370 --> 02:18:58,819
who comes to investigate and all the

3544
02:19:02,979 --> 02:19:00,380
stuff that's happened around him you

3545
02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:02,989
start to realize this guy's in contact

3546
02:19:07,389 --> 02:19:05,809
with something and he's clearly got some

3547
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:07,399
sort of connection and if you could

3548
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:09,200
figure it out then you're gonna learn

3549
02:19:12,669 --> 02:19:10,370
something about how the world works

3550
02:19:14,769 --> 02:19:12,679
because all it is is something that we

3551
02:19:17,229 --> 02:19:14,779
it's it's part of the world it's not

3552
02:19:19,419 --> 02:19:17,239
paranormal lots paranormal but it's it's

3553
02:19:20,679 --> 02:19:19,429
it's nothing magical it's just something

3554
02:19:22,330 --> 02:19:20,689
we don't understand and the more you

3555
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:22,340
study but you got to be studying the

3556
02:19:26,410 --> 02:19:24,050
right thing so I think we've we need to

3557
02:19:28,030 --> 02:19:26,420
spend more time looking at the the

3558
02:19:29,979 --> 02:19:28,040
bizarre things where you know

3559
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:29,989
experiences 37% have near-death

3560
02:19:33,070 --> 02:19:31,130
experiences and that the near-death

3561
02:19:34,809 --> 02:19:33,080
experience people turn off you can't

3562
02:19:36,790 --> 02:19:34,819
wear watches and turn off electronics

3563
02:19:40,839 --> 02:19:36,800
and you see all these these crossovers

3564
02:19:43,209 --> 02:19:40,849
and I me I think I understand a lot more

3565
02:19:44,830 --> 02:19:43,219
I'm very confident with what I think is

3566
02:19:46,750 --> 02:19:44,840
is actually going on I think it's going

3567
02:19:48,459 --> 02:19:46,760
to be sort of interdimensional like in

3568
02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:48,469
the 50s the altitude talk to the aliens

3569
02:19:52,719 --> 02:19:50,330
is their way from or from the moon or

3570
02:19:54,370 --> 02:19:52,729
from Venus Mars and then suddenly we've

3571
02:19:55,750 --> 02:19:54,380
realized there's nobody living there and

3572
02:19:59,229 --> 02:19:55,760
then it's like oh no we're from Zeta

3573
02:20:01,389 --> 02:19:59,239
Reticuli or I asked sherry wild-ass the

3574
02:20:04,420 --> 02:20:01,399
gray are you actually an alien and he

3575
02:20:06,190 --> 02:20:04,430
goes no not really alright when I talk

3576
02:20:08,979 --> 02:20:06,200
to experiences I say to them was the guy

3577
02:20:12,130 --> 02:20:08,989
wearing clothes no do you have any sex

3578
02:20:14,769 --> 02:20:12,140
organs no you saw him like for 50 years

3579
02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:14,779
did you ever get any older no did he

3580
02:20:18,849 --> 02:20:15,890
have a bellybutton

3581
02:20:20,590 --> 02:20:18,859
no and and you start going maybe this

3582
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,600
isn't what you think it is right and and

3583
02:20:24,940 --> 02:20:23,359
and so I think we can learn a lot by

3584
02:20:25,630 --> 02:20:24,950
talking to the experiences which I don't

3585
02:20:30,519 --> 02:20:25,640
think we're spending

3586
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:30,529
I'm doing I don't know if you heard you

3587
02:20:37,450 --> 02:20:32,630
just mentioned trace evidence like the

3588
02:20:40,719 --> 02:20:37,460
last the last Kraft imprints I can think

3589
02:20:44,649 --> 02:20:40,729
of like officially is Rendlesham right

3590
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:44,659
it I don't know but anyway when we're

3591
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:46,010
talking about the physical side of

3592
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:50,000
things I don't know if you heard but we

3593
02:20:57,219 --> 02:20:53,330
had Jacques Vallee on the show maybe six

3594
02:21:00,219 --> 02:20:57,229
months ago and he said one thing well he

3595
02:21:04,179 --> 02:21:00,229
always says interesting things but he

3596
02:21:06,210 --> 02:21:04,189
has always shied away from the nuts and

3597
02:21:07,929 --> 02:21:06,220
bolts IDE of things and it's it's

3598
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:07,939
interdimensional and and there's

3599
02:21:12,519 --> 02:21:10,010
something else and I'm physical that is

3600
02:21:14,490 --> 02:21:12,529
causing body injuries we need to look at

3601
02:21:16,689 --> 02:21:14,500
this we need to get the science applied

3602
02:21:19,149 --> 02:21:16,699
excuse me and figure out what's going on

3603
02:21:21,250 --> 02:21:19,159
well six months ago

3604
02:21:26,439 --> 02:21:21,260
grant and you should go back and listen

3605
02:21:30,340 --> 02:21:26,449
to the show he said this he said well

3606
02:21:32,830 --> 02:21:30,350
Jimmy I I asked him I said so do you

3607
02:21:35,649 --> 02:21:32,840
have secrets right that you're about to

3608
02:21:37,450 --> 02:21:35,659
take to the grave is there something you

3609
02:21:42,309 --> 02:21:37,460
want to get off your chest right now and

3610
02:21:47,410 --> 02:21:42,319
he said well you know Jimmy we know we

3611
02:21:50,590 --> 02:21:47,420
have we have retrieved crashed flying

3612
02:21:52,149 --> 02:21:50,600
saucers and we have done and and and so

3613
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:52,159
he continues up but he made that

3614
02:21:56,019 --> 02:21:53,120
statement

3615
02:21:59,290 --> 02:21:56,029
he's never crossed that line before

3616
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:59,300
Jacques Valais actually said and I don't

3617
02:22:02,500 --> 02:22:01,040
know if it was intentional or if it just

3618
02:22:07,439 --> 02:22:02,510
slipped out because he's always so

3619
02:22:11,229 --> 02:22:07,449
cautious but he said we have retrieved

3620
02:22:13,960 --> 02:22:11,239
crashed flying saucers what's in the

3621
02:22:16,149 --> 02:22:13,970
public record now it's out I'm not

3622
02:22:18,610 --> 02:22:16,159
disclosing any secrets from Jacques this

3623
02:22:20,170 --> 02:22:18,620
is a statement from him pretty

3624
02:22:22,510 --> 02:22:20,180
extraordinary to come from Jacques

3625
02:22:24,340 --> 02:22:22,520
Vallee don't you think yeah well he'll

3626
02:22:26,500 --> 02:22:24,350
put off admitted he made a slip too he

3627
02:22:28,120 --> 02:22:26,510
was he said there's a there's a crashed

3628
02:22:30,399 --> 02:22:28,130
saucer document out there that's real

3629
02:22:31,929 --> 02:22:30,409
and and Linda was dealing with my said

3630
02:22:33,580 --> 02:22:31,939
Linda asked him what documents he

3631
02:22:34,809 --> 02:22:33,590
talking about and we never got the

3632
02:22:36,729 --> 02:22:34,819
answer but he he I don't think he should

3633
02:22:38,710 --> 02:22:36,739
have said that and Eric Davis said yeah

3634
02:22:39,250 --> 02:22:38,720
we got the crash material and he was he

3635
02:22:41,639 --> 02:22:39,260
was going out

3636
02:22:43,210 --> 02:22:41,649
to lazar he said and it's not at area 51

3637
02:22:45,130 --> 02:22:43,220
not even there

3638
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:45,140
I mean he's did the wrong location and

3639
02:22:49,150 --> 02:22:47,210
so he's sort of admitted that but you

3640
02:22:50,650 --> 02:22:49,160
mentioned Jacques Vallee and the medal

3641
02:22:52,300 --> 02:22:50,660
said the medals is the same thing it's

3642
02:22:54,670 --> 02:22:52,310
it's the theory of wow it's like the

3643
02:22:56,980 --> 02:22:54,680
grade for class says let's drop some

3644
02:22:58,690 --> 02:22:56,990
metal on these guys because it's like

3645
02:23:00,040 --> 02:22:58,700
they come across the galaxy this is what

3646
02:23:02,139 --> 02:23:00,050
did we make these kind of weird

3647
02:23:03,639 --> 02:23:02,149
assumptions which are wrong they come

3648
02:23:05,110 --> 02:23:03,649
across the galaxy flew all the way here

3649
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:05,120
and then little pieces start to fall off

3650
02:23:08,679 --> 02:23:06,800
the thing it's flying along and a piece

3651
02:23:10,540 --> 02:23:08,689
falls off of it and it's like no they're

3652
02:23:13,150 --> 02:23:10,550
throwing their stuff down there and and

3653
02:23:15,010 --> 02:23:13,160
all the pieces are this are different

3654
02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:15,020
all right we can recovered one from

3655
02:23:18,940 --> 02:23:17,090
James McDonald's files at University of

3656
02:23:20,500 --> 02:23:18,950
Arizona I fact desk though was the one

3657
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:20,510
that discovered we're in the files and

3658
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,130
we're looking at these boxes or whatever

3659
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:23,840
and she finds these photographs from

3660
02:23:28,840 --> 02:23:26,479
1967 and this is an object that if that

3661
02:23:32,110 --> 02:23:28,850
came flying out of the sky in 1939 in

3662
02:23:34,719 --> 02:23:32,120
Illinois and the guy saw it coming down

3663
02:23:36,130 --> 02:23:34,729
and it landed into the yard and it was

3664
02:23:36,910 --> 02:23:36,140
so hot that he couldn't pull it out

3665
02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:36,920
that's an apart

3666
02:23:40,150 --> 02:23:38,450
our ports are heated up when it's

3667
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:40,160
something appears and then reappears

3668
02:23:45,219 --> 02:23:42,050
another spot it's it's 15 degrees

3669
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:45,229
Celsius hotter than with when it you

3670
02:23:49,059 --> 02:23:47,450
know so it heats up so the guy pulls it

3671
02:23:50,410 --> 02:23:49,069
out of the ground and just not to do

3672
02:23:53,050 --> 02:23:50,420
with it so he gives it to his daughter

3673
02:23:54,849 --> 02:23:53,060
and she lives in Tucson Arizona and NASA

3674
02:23:57,099 --> 02:23:54,859
has a lab they're going to the moon in

3675
02:23:58,480 --> 02:23:57,109
67 they have a lab there so she's got

3676
02:24:00,460 --> 02:23:58,490
this thing that her father gave her came

3677
02:24:02,650 --> 02:24:00,470
flying out of the sky in 1939 and looks

3678
02:24:04,929 --> 02:24:02,660
like a spike with these bubble things on

3679
02:24:07,300 --> 02:24:04,939
the top like a bubble it's like it was

3680
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:07,310
heated up or whatever and and they go

3681
02:24:12,070 --> 02:24:09,050
there and they have this thing analyzed

3682
02:24:13,809 --> 02:24:12,080
at the lab and the determinist 99% Nick

3683
02:24:15,550 --> 02:24:13,819
cup nickel there was nothing flying out

3684
02:24:17,620 --> 02:24:15,560
of the sky like playing material or

3685
02:24:19,269 --> 02:24:17,630
whatever and they did you said it's and

3686
02:24:24,010 --> 02:24:19,279
it's got a center core which is is

3687
02:24:25,660 --> 02:24:24,020
copper and the the basically that's all

3688
02:24:29,050 --> 02:24:25,670
they could really determine about it and

3689
02:24:30,639 --> 02:24:29,060
so James McDonald put it in his files he

3690
02:24:32,170 --> 02:24:30,649
didn't have to do that now we know it's

3691
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:32,180
the same thing I've got like three

3692
02:24:37,719 --> 02:24:35,930
pieces of metal or even Tyler D tied the

3693
02:24:40,599 --> 02:24:37,729
if you know the story with Tyler D they

3694
02:24:43,469 --> 02:24:40,609
take pisanka and they take Gary Nolan

3695
02:24:46,059 --> 02:24:43,479
the other guard to the crash site yes

3696
02:24:47,530 --> 02:24:46,069
okay it was my friend that took Tyler D

3697
02:24:49,150 --> 02:24:47,540
there that's how they discovered my

3698
02:24:49,960 --> 02:24:49,160
friend took Tyler D there so I know

3699
02:24:51,559 --> 02:24:49,970
where the site is

3700
02:24:53,179 --> 02:24:51,569
and and you

3701
02:24:55,010 --> 02:24:53,189
them using this word in Christmas all

3702
02:24:57,559 --> 02:24:55,020
the same thing they call it the gifting

3703
02:24:59,179 --> 02:24:57,569
field which means this may have been a

3704
02:25:01,460 --> 02:24:59,189
purposeful Christ Roswell may been a

3705
02:25:02,929 --> 02:25:01,470
purposeful cross that they given us the

3706
02:25:04,159 --> 02:25:02,939
material we still can't figure it out

3707
02:25:05,809 --> 02:25:04,169
but they're giving us this stuff because

3708
02:25:07,880 --> 02:25:05,819
there's no way something's gonna cover

3709
02:25:09,500 --> 02:25:07,890
us and there's piles in fact Jacmel a

3710
02:25:11,329 --> 02:25:09,510
through a secondary person came to me

3711
02:25:13,309 --> 02:25:11,339
about the Canadians the Canadians had

3712
02:25:14,929 --> 02:25:13,319
all sorts of metal in 1950s Wilbert

3713
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:14,939
Rocco Smith the guy around the Canadian

3714
02:25:18,619 --> 02:25:16,770
government program his son tells a story

3715
02:25:19,460 --> 02:25:18,629
I interviewed his son said the

3716
02:25:21,319 --> 02:25:19,470
government was coming all the time

3717
02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:21,329
service guys with suitcases with chains

3718
02:25:25,189 --> 02:25:23,369
on their arm with pieces of metal coming

3719
02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:25,199
from the US Air Force and that they

3720
02:25:28,159 --> 02:25:26,850
would get the Canadians to analyze the

3721
02:25:29,929 --> 02:25:28,169
metal what do you think about this metal

3722
02:25:31,399 --> 02:25:29,939
and they were sending it back and Smith

3723
02:25:33,199 --> 02:25:31,409
said they asked him where did you send

3724
02:25:35,929 --> 02:25:33,209
it back did you send it back to the CIA

3725
02:25:37,909 --> 02:25:35,939
he said no higher than that but I can't

3726
02:25:40,099 --> 02:25:37,919
tell you so it was going back to the US

3727
02:25:41,569 --> 02:25:40,109
so you had this metal in the 50s they

3728
02:25:42,829 --> 02:25:41,579
keep dropping this metal all the time

3729
02:25:44,689 --> 02:25:42,839
and it's the same thing it's a theory

3730
02:25:46,369 --> 02:25:44,699
Wow it's like what is this or crop

3731
02:25:47,689 --> 02:25:46,379
circles like what is going on or even

3732
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:47,699
you mentioned the thing with with

3733
02:25:51,679 --> 02:25:49,439
Rendlesham forest if you know the story

3734
02:25:53,239 --> 02:25:51,689
Jim Penniston says when that craft was

3735
02:25:55,099 --> 02:25:53,249
there there was light coming in from

3736
02:25:56,899 --> 02:25:55,109
underneath the craft and he looked under

3737
02:25:59,119 --> 02:25:56,909
there and there was no landing gear

3738
02:26:00,349 --> 02:25:59,129
right so how did it leave tripod marks

3739
02:26:01,849 --> 02:26:00,359
if there's no landing gear he remember

3740
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:01,859
he pushed it he tried to push it into a

3741
02:26:04,939 --> 02:26:03,600
solidus could be and it's almost like

3742
02:26:05,960 --> 02:26:04,949
they may have made the landing gear to

3743
02:26:07,309 --> 02:26:05,970
make it look like it was sitting on a

3744
02:26:08,989 --> 02:26:07,319
landing gear there was no landing gear

3745
02:26:11,090 --> 02:26:08,999
Penniston said there was no landing gear

3746
02:26:13,849 --> 02:26:11,100
yeah I've scratched my head over those

3747
02:26:15,979 --> 02:26:13,859
statements so many times we just had

3748
02:26:20,750 --> 02:26:15,989
Penniston on the show last week or the

3749
02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:20,760
week before and everybody seemed to have

3750
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:22,850
even though there's crossover

3751
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:26,489
information that is similar but

3752
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:28,409
everybody at Rendlesham almost had their

3753
02:26:32,929 --> 02:26:31,439
own experience yeah and then that's what

3754
02:26:35,029 --> 02:26:32,939
you start looking at why did they come

3755
02:26:36,500 --> 02:26:35,039
three nights in a row I mean this is not

3756
02:26:38,300 --> 02:26:36,510
a random event this is a planned event

3757
02:26:40,849 --> 02:26:38,310
that's where they had the forward base

3758
02:26:44,989 --> 02:26:40,859
nuclear weapons and that was when Poland

3759
02:26:46,729 --> 02:26:44,999
had gone Poland had the Russians have

3760
02:26:48,619 --> 02:26:46,739
put the tanks on the border that same

3761
02:26:51,500 --> 02:26:48,629
month they were going to reinvade indent

3762
02:26:54,800 --> 02:26:51,510
poland because of what's that group that

3763
02:26:55,790 --> 02:26:54,810
took over poland the labor people and

3764
02:26:57,559 --> 02:26:55,800
they were going to they were going to

3765
02:26:59,479 --> 02:26:57,569
separate and russia was going to take it

3766
02:27:01,130 --> 02:26:59,489
back that's when that thing happened so

3767
02:27:02,599 --> 02:27:01,140
they come three nights in a row same as

3768
02:27:04,849 --> 02:27:02,609
the the nimis thing they were coming

3769
02:27:06,559 --> 02:27:04,859
repeatedly and it's not a random of

3770
02:27:08,630 --> 02:27:06,569
it's something that that's planned to

3771
02:27:09,739 --> 02:27:08,640
get it and you see the thing where

3772
02:27:11,479 --> 02:27:09,749
they're all having different experiences

3773
02:27:13,939 --> 02:27:11,489
the same thing happened in the Xandra

3774
02:27:15,050 --> 02:27:13,949
when Paula Harris and these other seven

3775
02:27:16,790 --> 02:27:15,060
people I interviewed all these people

3776
02:27:18,739 --> 02:27:16,800
are in the Xandra and I said so did you

3777
02:27:20,689 --> 02:27:18,749
see oh I saw this ten-foot guy in long

3778
02:27:22,040 --> 02:27:20,699
hair and you could see his face and he

3779
02:27:23,960 --> 02:27:22,050
was standing there and you had the boots

3780
02:27:26,380 --> 02:27:23,970
on and he looks like a ski like a like a

3781
02:27:28,969 --> 02:27:26,390
swimmer he's all muscular like this real

3782
02:27:30,889 --> 02:27:28,979
tight thing on and then you ask them

3783
02:27:32,420 --> 02:27:30,899
okay what are you here well the public

3784
02:27:33,949 --> 02:27:32,430
Harris here's this guy talking in some

3785
02:27:35,569 --> 02:27:33,959
foreign language this person is getting

3786
02:27:36,949 --> 02:27:35,579
a message all of them had a different

3787
02:27:38,659 --> 02:27:36,959
experience completely different they're

3788
02:27:40,699 --> 02:27:38,669
all it was like he was talking to seven

3789
02:27:42,199 --> 02:27:40,709
people all at the same time with

3790
02:27:44,420 --> 02:27:42,209
different things and you see that thing

3791
02:27:46,519 --> 02:27:44,430
where it's the old thing ooh the time

3792
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:46,529
and space starts to fall apart the fact

3793
02:27:50,809 --> 02:27:49,050
that that that you know you could have

3794
02:27:51,889 --> 02:27:50,819
separate events that you hear this in

3795
02:27:53,929 --> 02:27:51,899
the spirit world with near-death

3796
02:27:55,399 --> 02:27:53,939
experience people where they'll say that

3797
02:27:57,979 --> 02:27:55,409
somebody's talking to a hundred people

3798
02:27:59,779 --> 02:27:57,989
at the same time that you can

3799
02:28:02,119 --> 02:27:59,789
communicate this thing and you see that

3800
02:28:03,500 --> 02:28:02,129
in UFO experiences that even like my

3801
02:28:05,929 --> 02:28:03,510
friend when you had this experience with

3802
02:28:09,619 --> 02:28:05,939
with his wife on the on the on coming

3803
02:28:10,729 --> 02:28:09,629
down on the water along his house where

3804
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:10,739
they had two different experiences saw

3805
02:28:14,929 --> 02:28:12,720
two different things and so that's the

3806
02:28:17,119 --> 02:28:14,939
whole thing is it's part that you're

3807
02:28:18,769 --> 02:28:17,129
manifesting you people think there's

3808
02:28:20,750 --> 02:28:18,779
objects out there that are doing things

3809
02:28:22,550 --> 02:28:20,760
to us that we're just random biological

3810
02:28:24,349 --> 02:28:22,560
robots in a meaningless universe people

3811
02:28:26,359 --> 02:28:24,359
got to realize we are part of the

3812
02:28:27,710 --> 02:28:26,369
experience and there may not be any out

3813
02:28:29,719 --> 02:28:27,720
there out there in fact some of these

3814
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:29,729
the the messages that you get are it's

3815
02:28:33,229 --> 02:28:31,770
all within us there's no out there out

3816
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:33,239
there it's all within us where is the

3817
02:28:38,119 --> 02:28:35,850
world even you know this this whole

3818
02:28:40,340 --> 02:28:38,129
concept that it may just be the one

3819
02:28:43,099 --> 02:28:40,350
electron it may just be one thing and

3820
02:28:45,290 --> 02:28:43,109
it's such an illusion as to what's going

3821
02:28:47,059 --> 02:28:45,300
on and that's why it's important to talk

3822
02:28:48,679 --> 02:28:47,069
to people who got out of the illusion or

3823
02:28:49,849 --> 02:28:48,689
who have talked to these beings that say

3824
02:28:51,319 --> 02:28:49,859
they're from the seventh dimension or

3825
02:28:53,330 --> 02:28:51,329
the 11th dimension or or whatever

3826
02:28:55,369 --> 02:28:53,340
they're saying now the story is

3827
02:28:57,859 --> 02:28:55,379
developed from going to the moon to now

3828
02:29:00,319 --> 02:28:57,869
other dimensions and stuff and it sort

3829
02:29:02,179 --> 02:29:00,329
of fits in with our understanding our

3830
02:29:03,590 --> 02:29:02,189
scientific understanding they seem to be

3831
02:29:06,199 --> 02:29:03,600
just one step ahead of where we are

3832
02:29:07,939 --> 02:29:06,209
let's take a break but I'm gonna ask you

3833
02:29:09,409 --> 02:29:07,949
to go into overtime you're not going

3834
02:29:10,099 --> 02:29:09,419
anywhere grant so you just stay right

3835
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:10,109
there

3836
02:29:13,099 --> 02:29:12,090
our guests in hi grant Cameron this is

3837
02:29:15,739 --> 02:29:13,109
fade to black

3838
02:29:16,980 --> 02:29:15,749
another amazing conversation on the

3839
02:29:19,921 --> 02:29:16,990
GameChanger network

3840
02:29:23,310 --> 02:29:19,931
in kg ra the planet you can follow me on

3841
02:29:26,551 --> 02:29:23,320
twitter @ JT radio follow grant on

3842
02:29:29,160 --> 02:29:26,561
twitter @ grant cameron and of course

3843
02:29:30,750 --> 02:29:29,170
all of his links are over at jimmy

3844
02:29:31,860 --> 02:29:30,760
church radio calm I'll be right back

3845
02:29:34,350 --> 02:29:31,870
after this short break

3846
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:34,360
over time with grant Cameron all of that

3847
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:37,450
is next stay with us

3848
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3913
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3914
02:33:36,410 --> 02:33:34,130
welcome back fade to black our guest

3915
02:33:38,900 --> 02:33:36,420
tonight grant Cameron going into

3916
02:33:42,099 --> 02:33:38,910
overtime you expected that there was no

3917
02:33:44,540 --> 02:33:42,109
way his conversation was stopping and

3918
02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:44,550
grant before we move forward I do want

3919
02:33:49,520 --> 02:33:47,010
to thank thank you for your time tonight

3920
02:33:51,860 --> 02:33:49,530
and to to hang out with everybody going

3921
02:33:55,790 --> 02:33:51,870
into some overtime there's so much to

3922
02:33:58,700 --> 02:33:55,800
discuss and I haven't gone directly with

3923
02:34:02,230 --> 02:33:58,710
you on opinions I just want to have some

3924
02:34:08,150 --> 02:34:05,300
overtime here is relaxed mode let's go

3925
02:34:10,070 --> 02:34:08,160
into relaxed mode which I want to

3926
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:10,080
discuss I want to get your opinions on

3927
02:34:18,050 --> 02:34:13,770
the three videos and and what you see

3928
02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:18,060
and I think it's important everybody it

3929
02:34:20,929 --> 02:34:19,410
doesn't matter what it is it could be a

3930
02:34:23,599 --> 02:34:20,939
Bigfoot video it could be

3931
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:23,609
sleight-of-hand rabbit out of a hat with

3932
02:34:31,010 --> 02:34:26,370
the magician everybody's gonna see what

3933
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:31,020
they are going to see and everybody's

3934
02:34:37,250 --> 02:34:33,120
got their opinions about these three

3935
02:34:39,860 --> 02:34:37,260
videos let's start with FLIR and let's

3936
02:34:42,639 --> 02:34:39,870
start with the FLIR video when he first

3937
02:34:45,099 --> 02:34:42,649
saw it what went through your mind

3938
02:34:48,910 --> 02:34:45,109
you're talking the tic-tac one man yes

3939
02:34:53,660 --> 02:34:48,920
okay so when I saw it I was dealing with

3940
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:53,670
Dan Smith and when the thing came out I

3941
02:34:58,520 --> 02:34:56,640
said then what spend off you got to say

3942
02:35:00,440 --> 02:34:58,530
about this what's wrong got to say and

3943
02:35:02,630 --> 02:35:00,450
he comes back and he says it was done on

3944
02:35:04,310 --> 02:35:02,640
a simulator it's these guys are

3945
02:35:06,349 --> 02:35:04,320
Scientologists and they're trying to

3946
02:35:08,210 --> 02:35:06,359
scam everybody and they're lunes crooks

3947
02:35:10,370 --> 02:35:08,220
and worse and all these kind of stories

3948
02:35:12,340 --> 02:35:10,380
so that was what I was trying to do I'm

3949
02:35:14,719 --> 02:35:12,350
trying to get the highest level official

3950
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:14,729
when I saw it I still have this theory

3951
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:18,240
of the theory of wow so they allowed

3952
02:35:22,130 --> 02:35:20,130
themselves to be filmed whatever this

3953
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:22,140
phenomena was all three are different

3954
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:25,439
objects and so they sat there for a week

3955
02:35:30,020 --> 02:35:27,330
again they were there for a week before

3956
02:35:32,330 --> 02:35:30,030
anybody chased them and when they when

3957
02:35:34,280 --> 02:35:32,340
they chased them then they get the film

3958
02:35:36,290 --> 02:35:34,290
and then the jets fly off and then they

3959
02:35:38,420 --> 02:35:36,300
come back again and then they say hey

3960
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:38,430
zogar going to the water make some

3961
02:35:41,599 --> 02:35:40,170
bubbles they're coming back and then of

3962
02:35:42,980 --> 02:35:41,609
course they go by and there's bubbles

3963
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:42,990
coming up and and this is just like a

3964
02:35:45,849 --> 02:35:44,090
big teeny it's like a big

3965
02:35:48,099 --> 02:35:45,859
gameshow it's like they they're making

3966
02:35:50,139 --> 02:35:48,109
these these sort of interesting displays

3967
02:35:51,730 --> 02:35:50,149
I heard they had 200 videos at one time

3968
02:35:53,380 --> 02:35:51,740
I heard they had 200 videos that they

3969
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:53,390
were gonna release and that these things

3970
02:35:58,030 --> 02:35:56,090
were gonna come out now why they didn't

3971
02:36:00,219 --> 02:35:58,040
do the ones and the other thing that was

3972
02:36:02,200 --> 02:36:00,229
interesting about the videos the FLIR

3973
02:36:03,670 --> 02:36:02,210
and all the others was that there was

3974
02:36:06,610 --> 02:36:03,680
this leak you know about the melon leak

3975
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:06,620
right there the Chris melons website is

3976
02:36:12,160 --> 02:36:10,250
getting an order Jay and so I had the

3977
02:36:14,980 --> 02:36:12,170
guy the guy who actually I think put the

3978
02:36:18,490 --> 02:36:14,990
the Wilson document in the alien autopsy

3979
02:36:20,590 --> 02:36:18,500
document on the internet was a guy once

3980
02:36:22,830 --> 02:36:20,600
dead described who the guy was he

3981
02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:22,840
doesn't deal with me anymore but I

3982
02:36:28,090 --> 02:36:25,130
showed him this there's there's the

3983
02:36:29,170 --> 02:36:28,100
packaging there was the videos on melons

3984
02:36:31,660 --> 02:36:29,180
website they showed the videos that

3985
02:36:34,330 --> 02:36:31,670
showed the packaging slip and it had

3986
02:36:35,620 --> 02:36:34,340
laws on dough and it had melon now we

3987
02:36:37,210 --> 02:36:35,630
know that melon was the guy that got

3988
02:36:39,099 --> 02:36:37,220
hidden in the parking lot and brought it

3989
02:36:40,990 --> 02:36:39,109
across whatever and there was this D

3990
02:36:43,660 --> 02:36:41,000
Essex now I know her name it was a woman

3991
02:36:46,060 --> 02:36:43,670
from the public affairs and my friend

3992
02:36:49,540 --> 02:36:46,070
had a guy in the Pentagon and I said can

3993
02:36:50,980 --> 02:36:49,550
you find out who this d Essex is and the

3994
02:36:53,080 --> 02:36:50,990
next morning he phones me up he says we

3995
02:36:54,820 --> 02:36:53,090
got a direct hit my guy in the Pentagon

3996
02:36:56,740 --> 02:36:54,830
says it's this woman and her name is

3997
02:37:00,099 --> 02:36:56,750
it's DSX camera her first name was but

3998
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:00,109
anyway so you can see this this he said

3999
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:02,090
and she would be in the office that

4000
02:37:05,710 --> 02:37:03,680
would be involved if they were going to

4001
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:05,720
make some sort of public disclosure so

4002
02:37:10,990 --> 02:37:07,520
it's coming out of public affairs which

4003
02:37:13,570 --> 02:37:11,000
is exactly the same office that bill

4004
02:37:14,889 --> 02:37:13,580
Coleman with Colonel Coleman was in who

4005
02:37:18,700 --> 02:37:14,899
released the Holloman Air Force Base

4006
02:37:20,590 --> 02:37:18,710
film to emma nagar and emma nagar said

4007
02:37:22,120 --> 02:37:20,600
they went into the pentagon they did not

4008
02:37:23,860 --> 02:37:22,130
sign in at the pentagon they walked in

4009
02:37:25,660 --> 02:37:23,870
there and the public affairs guy said

4010
02:37:27,219 --> 02:37:25,670
this is terrible your your ruin it for

4011
02:37:28,900 --> 02:37:27,229
everybody man you guys start talking

4012
02:37:31,420 --> 02:37:28,910
about UFOs and me the phone comes off

4013
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:31,430
the hook and then Sandler says your guys

4014
02:37:34,929 --> 02:37:33,050
invited us here what he talked about and

4015
02:37:37,450 --> 02:37:34,939
that was told they actually signed a

4016
02:37:40,060 --> 02:37:37,460
contract in with with the Pentagon said

4017
02:37:42,250 --> 02:37:40,070
was a straight film contract and so you

4018
02:37:44,889 --> 02:37:42,260
see this again it's this this release

4019
02:37:47,740 --> 02:37:44,899
and and the beings are allowing

4020
02:37:49,330 --> 02:37:47,750
themselves to be filmed they are showing

4021
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:49,340
up as different things and they're just

4022
02:37:53,410 --> 02:37:51,050
doing to me it's like a game show where

4023
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:53,420
they say do this you know flip this so

4024
02:37:57,740 --> 02:37:56,720
that they know it's beyond an unordinary

4025
02:37:58,970 --> 02:37:57,750
craft you

4026
02:38:02,090 --> 02:37:58,980
something really weird so they can look

4027
02:38:04,580 --> 02:38:02,100
at it and I believe the the videos are

4028
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:04,590
real they may be bigger but what you see

4029
02:38:09,290 --> 02:38:06,570
with the with the FLIR was they dropped

4030
02:38:10,910 --> 02:38:09,300
it already they dropped it in 2007 with

4031
02:38:12,320 --> 02:38:10,920
to the German production company they're

4032
02:38:14,060 --> 02:38:12,330
trying to get it out then they wanted

4033
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:14,070
and it didn't work out whatever this

4034
02:38:17,540 --> 02:38:15,840
scam was that they were going to do they

4035
02:38:19,660 --> 02:38:17,550
were going to drop it in 2007 it didn't

4036
02:38:22,670 --> 02:38:19,670
work so now they drop it again in in

4037
02:38:24,170 --> 02:38:22,680
2017 with the New York Times so it's the

4038
02:38:27,140 --> 02:38:24,180
same game there they've got the same

4039
02:38:28,910 --> 02:38:27,150
films and they run the same operations

4040
02:38:32,060 --> 02:38:28,920
they've been running it since the 1950s

4041
02:38:34,520 --> 02:38:32,070
when Disney did the the that was offered

4042
02:38:38,470 --> 02:38:34,530
all the films and and according to the

4043
02:38:40,670 --> 02:38:38,480
the the animator whose name escapes me

4044
02:38:42,140 --> 02:38:40,680
he was one of the nine animators for

4045
02:38:44,270 --> 02:38:42,150
Disney he tells the story at the mutant

4046
02:38:46,340 --> 02:38:44,280
conference that Disney was told to do a

4047
02:38:47,780 --> 02:38:46,350
documentary and he was given all these

4048
02:38:52,010 --> 02:38:47,790
films and they pulled all the films on

4049
02:38:54,620 --> 02:38:52,020
him as well and and then later mike

4050
02:38:56,600 --> 02:38:54,630
maloney report a film guy from Great

4051
02:38:58,610 --> 02:38:56,610
Britain says the fact that that same

4052
02:39:01,070 --> 02:38:58,620
animator from Disney showed him the

4053
02:39:03,440 --> 02:39:01,080
alien autopsy video in the 1970s and

4054
02:39:05,180 --> 02:39:03,450
that it had a live alien not just the

4055
02:39:07,160 --> 02:39:05,190
alien autopsy had the live alien in

4056
02:39:09,140 --> 02:39:07,170
there and he said it was that same film

4057
02:39:11,060 --> 02:39:09,150
as they were showing eyes I saw it and

4058
02:39:13,130 --> 02:39:11,070
it way if it did it was faked it was

4059
02:39:15,170 --> 02:39:13,140
really good so you see this thing with

4060
02:39:16,400 --> 02:39:15,180
the films but the film's always sort of

4061
02:39:17,960 --> 02:39:16,410
get pulled back this time they left the

4062
02:39:19,850 --> 02:39:17,970
film out but again they said there's

4063
02:39:22,910 --> 02:39:19,860
gonna be 200 videos and some were up

4064
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:22,920
very close and they just put it out and

4065
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:24,930
leave it deny it

4066
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:26,610
same as they did with the with the names

4067
02:39:29,330 --> 02:39:28,890
you know the New York Times was told it

4068
02:39:32,600 --> 02:39:29,340
was it

4069
02:39:33,950 --> 02:39:32,610
that's aerospace was the Washington Post

4070
02:39:35,780 --> 02:39:33,960
the same morning was story it was

4071
02:39:38,090 --> 02:39:35,790
advanced aviation they put out two

4072
02:39:40,370 --> 02:39:38,100
different names caused a confusion and

4073
02:39:43,100 --> 02:39:40,380
then said that the the videos aren't

4074
02:39:44,720 --> 02:39:43,110
real we didn't release them and then we

4075
02:39:46,580 --> 02:39:44,730
did release them and it's this game

4076
02:39:48,620 --> 02:39:46,590
where nobody knows it's like shifting

4077
02:39:50,810 --> 02:39:48,630
sand all the time and it works to their

4078
02:39:52,280 --> 02:39:50,820
advantage they're doing this I guarantee

4079
02:39:54,080 --> 02:39:52,290
they're doing this gradual

4080
02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:54,090
acclimatization and it's not the

4081
02:39:56,690 --> 02:39:55,530
government doing it because there are

4082
02:39:58,400 --> 02:39:56,700
people in the government who are

4083
02:40:00,080 --> 02:39:58,410
believing demons and that this is all

4084
02:40:02,630 --> 02:40:00,090
demons and they're gonna stop it it's

4085
02:40:04,940 --> 02:40:02,640
people in the government who are very

4086
02:40:07,070 --> 02:40:04,950
sympathetic so what happens in my

4087
02:40:09,110 --> 02:40:07,080
business is my personal opinion what

4088
02:40:10,760 --> 02:40:09,120
happens is Tom DeLonge goes to Lockheed

4089
02:40:11,710 --> 02:40:10,770
lockheed sets them up with all these

4090
02:40:13,870 --> 02:40:11,720
people go to the

4091
02:40:15,550 --> 02:40:13,880
gone and he meets these two intelligence

4092
02:40:17,650 --> 02:40:15,560
guys he goes to NASA he picks up a guy

4093
02:40:19,330 --> 02:40:17,660
there NASA sends him to Ames the senator

4094
02:40:22,450 --> 02:40:19,340
to the general then the general starts

4095
02:40:27,309 --> 02:40:22,460
giving them all these people and they

4096
02:40:29,700 --> 02:40:27,319
you you have this situation where he

4097
02:40:32,920 --> 02:40:29,710
puts out the first book in 2016 in April

4098
02:40:35,559 --> 02:40:32,930
semi van finds out about it and they

4099
02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:35,569
have the meeting in in in in San Diego

4100
02:40:38,920 --> 02:40:37,130
in the hotel room you know this story

4101
02:40:40,570 --> 02:40:38,930
with agents mm-hmm and they say where

4102
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:40,580
did you get all this stuff from then

4103
02:40:45,370 --> 02:40:43,130
semi then semi ban tells green Green

4104
02:40:47,469 --> 02:40:45,380
goes to put off put off goes in there

4105
02:40:48,790 --> 02:40:47,479
and put off joins the team and and

4106
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:48,800
that's how they assemble all this stuff

4107
02:40:51,790 --> 02:40:50,090
because that's where the money is that's

4108
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:51,800
where the information swing but it's not

4109
02:40:54,940 --> 02:40:53,359
government it's people in the government

4110
02:40:56,679 --> 02:40:54,950
and then if you hear what Tom DeLonge

4111
02:41:00,010 --> 02:40:56,689
says the whole thing about Lu Elizondo

4112
02:41:01,389 --> 02:41:00,020
he says quote I hired him away in one of

4113
02:41:03,729 --> 02:41:01,399
the interviews I still can't find whose

4114
02:41:04,929 --> 02:41:03,739
interview he says I knew about the guy

4115
02:41:08,490 --> 02:41:04,939
and they said you will never release

4116
02:41:12,040 --> 02:41:08,500
this guy's name and they caught they

4117
02:41:13,630 --> 02:41:12,050
they used an acronym for Elizondo but

4118
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:13,640
they were talking to Elizondo and he

4119
02:41:17,950 --> 02:41:16,399
said I hired him away so Elizondo is

4120
02:41:20,110 --> 02:41:17,960
sympathetic he's in there he's about to

4121
02:41:22,210 --> 02:41:20,120
retire and put off his working for

4122
02:41:23,950 --> 02:41:22,220
Elizondo so put off goes in and says oh

4123
02:41:25,420 --> 02:41:23,960
would you like to join Tom DeLonge he's

4124
02:41:27,250 --> 02:41:25,430
gonna pay you this much money whatever

4125
02:41:29,229 --> 02:41:27,260
and so he retires he was I'm probably

4126
02:41:30,969 --> 02:41:29,239
gonna retire anyway he retires he goes

4127
02:41:32,170 --> 02:41:30,979
out and that's how they get all these

4128
02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:32,180
people together but it's not government

4129
02:41:35,740 --> 02:41:34,010
is people in the government who want the

4130
02:41:38,050 --> 02:41:35,750
story the same is Bill Moore when he was

4131
02:41:39,820 --> 02:41:38,060
contacted seven days after the the

4132
02:41:42,250 --> 02:41:39,830
roswell book which sold like a million

4133
02:41:43,719 --> 02:41:42,260
copies in 1980 when roswell became

4134
02:41:45,729 --> 02:41:43,729
famous nobody knew what roswell was

4135
02:41:47,050 --> 02:41:45,739
before he put out that book they can't

4136
02:41:48,700 --> 02:41:47,060
said you're only god knows what you're

4137
02:41:50,710 --> 02:41:48,710
talking about we're from the government

4138
02:41:52,240 --> 02:41:50,720
we'd like to help get this story out and

4139
02:41:54,040 --> 02:41:52,250
these are the same thing it's like cut

4140
02:41:56,050 --> 02:41:54,050
off and it's john alexander it's all

4141
02:41:57,550 --> 02:41:56,060
these people and they were feeding

4142
02:41:59,260 --> 02:41:57,560
material as well but it's people

4143
02:42:00,700 --> 02:41:59,270
sympathetic inside the government so you

4144
02:42:02,260 --> 02:42:00,710
have these the people that don't want to

4145
02:42:04,690 --> 02:42:02,270
know people that run it out and these

4146
02:42:06,280 --> 02:42:04,700
people figure a way to get this material

4147
02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:06,290
out so they're they're sort of like the

4148
02:42:10,929 --> 02:42:09,050
good guys in the government who are

4149
02:42:13,780 --> 02:42:10,939
frustrated and that's what I would say

4150
02:42:15,580 --> 02:42:13,790
about Greene and he'll put off they have

4151
02:42:17,019 --> 02:42:15,590
probably the longest held top-secret SDI

4152
02:42:18,820 --> 02:42:17,029
Clarence's in the United States of

4153
02:42:20,260 --> 02:42:18,830
America they've had him since 1970s

4154
02:42:22,570 --> 02:42:20,270
since remote-viewing so I've had these

4155
02:42:24,639 --> 02:42:22,580
things and these guys are old guys there

4156
02:42:25,570 --> 02:42:24,649
isn't like 80 or more whatever they

4157
02:42:26,380 --> 02:42:25,580
don't need the money

4158
02:42:27,460 --> 02:42:26,390
they're just trying to figure it out

4159
02:42:29,170 --> 02:42:27,470
they've been working on it their whole

4160
02:42:31,660 --> 02:42:29,180
life just like you and I they're there

4161
02:42:34,270 --> 02:42:31,670
down the rabbit hole we can't get out so

4162
02:42:36,700 --> 02:42:34,280
it's not to put words in your mouth but

4163
02:42:41,801 --> 02:42:36,710
you feel that the flea or the tic-tac

4164
02:42:45,130 --> 02:42:41,811
video is not of this earth oh absolutely

4165
02:42:47,500 --> 02:42:45,140
no okay all right let's uh let's go to

4166
02:42:51,100 --> 02:42:47,510
gimble when you look at the gimbal

4167
02:42:52,570 --> 02:42:51,110
footage what do you see well I just see

4168
02:42:54,280 --> 02:42:52,580
another release I see there with the

4169
02:42:56,801 --> 02:42:54,290
release of and this is I think I have

4170
02:42:59,140 --> 02:42:56,811
found off the east coast of the United

4171
02:43:01,390 --> 02:42:59,150
States and there's this the story behind

4172
02:43:03,430 --> 02:43:01,400
it so it's it's another video that they

4173
02:43:05,560 --> 02:43:03,440
have approved that we're gonna release

4174
02:43:07,480 --> 02:43:05,570
this one it's not closed up it's like

4175
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:07,490
the Bob a man dagger thing it has

4176
02:43:10,570 --> 02:43:09,050
plausible deniability like the Bob and

4177
02:43:12,370 --> 02:43:10,580
Ruger watch says is this light coming

4178
02:43:13,540 --> 02:43:12,380
over the mountainside coming in in

4179
02:43:15,580 --> 02:43:13,550
daylight but it's coming over the

4180
02:43:17,020 --> 02:43:15,590
mountainside so it's not up close that's

4181
02:43:18,910 --> 02:43:17,030
a buff said when it gets up close when

4182
02:43:20,440 --> 02:43:18,920
the aliens actually land and the door

4183
02:43:21,910 --> 02:43:20,450
opens up in the aliens get out now that

4184
02:43:23,350 --> 02:43:21,920
you're not going to see same thing here

4185
02:43:24,700 --> 02:43:23,360
so there may have been uh parts of the

4186
02:43:26,140 --> 02:43:24,710
video they didn't so it's still

4187
02:43:29,261 --> 02:43:26,150
plausible deniability you see it's been

4188
02:43:30,460 --> 02:43:29,271
years and except for the the Navy coming

4189
02:43:33,130 --> 02:43:30,470
out and saying these are real videos

4190
02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:33,140
everybody still goes like you know

4191
02:43:37,180 --> 02:43:34,610
there's still this denial no it's not

4192
02:43:39,160 --> 02:43:37,190
you know and it's this question mark

4193
02:43:42,011 --> 02:43:39,170
thing where you can't really say it's

4194
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:42,021
it's it's definitely alien because it's

4195
02:43:44,860 --> 02:43:43,130
sort of like has this plausible

4196
02:43:45,700 --> 02:43:44,870
deniability thing so that's what they're

4197
02:43:47,500 --> 02:43:45,710
going to use they're not going to use a

4198
02:43:50,020 --> 02:43:47,510
close-up one they're going to use one

4199
02:43:53,980 --> 02:43:50,030
that can be questioning and the skeptics

4200
02:43:56,140 --> 02:43:53,990
can still walk away from and so you

4201
02:44:00,040 --> 02:43:56,150
think that the the gimbal footage is

4202
02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:00,050
also authentic it's a dainty craft not

4203
02:44:04,090 --> 02:44:02,570
of this earth yeah they're all the films

4204
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:04,100
are going to be authentic there but

4205
02:44:07,780 --> 02:44:05,840
there are films from the two hundred or

4206
02:44:09,850 --> 02:44:07,790
they would have thousands of films

4207
02:44:12,761 --> 02:44:09,860
thousands and thousands so even if you

4208
02:44:15,930 --> 02:44:12,771
go back to the first sighting Kenneth

4209
02:44:18,940 --> 02:44:15,940
Arnold was given to eight by eleven

4210
02:44:21,340 --> 02:44:18,950
photographs like gun camera footage of

4211
02:44:23,500 --> 02:44:21,350
flying saucers from the fourth Air Force

4212
02:44:25,690 --> 02:44:23,510
now why are they giving him gun camera

4213
02:44:27,670 --> 02:44:25,700
footage if it's a big cover-up it's the

4214
02:44:28,810 --> 02:44:27,680
same thing it's this leak it's like you

4215
02:44:30,490 --> 02:44:28,820
they want the story out but they don't

4216
02:44:32,261 --> 02:44:30,500
want the story out and this is Plus with

4217
02:44:34,990 --> 02:44:32,271
my book so these three films that they

4218
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:35,000
do are films that are safe where it

4219
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:37,130
doesn't really blow the whole story out

4220
02:44:40,511 --> 02:44:39,200
it's just enough to put it out

4221
02:44:42,310 --> 02:44:40,521
like because that's what I heard I think

4222
02:44:44,801 --> 02:44:42,320
Alejandro said that we've got stuff up

4223
02:44:46,660 --> 02:44:44,811
close but that kind of stuff you may you

4224
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:46,670
may not see for a while they're just

4225
02:44:50,770 --> 02:44:49,010
doing this gradual thing let's see how

4226
02:44:53,171 --> 02:44:50,780
the people can handle it put it through

4227
02:44:54,610 --> 02:44:53,181
Hollywood make it plasma and put it

4228
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:54,620
through fictional fictionalized the

4229
02:44:58,450 --> 02:44:56,720
story so people don't know what the real

4230
02:45:00,640 --> 02:44:58,460
story is like the et and Close

4231
02:45:03,640 --> 02:45:00,650
Encounters and putting it out and just

4232
02:45:05,530 --> 02:45:03,650
slowly move people along because I guess

4233
02:45:07,690 --> 02:45:05,540
they have the same fears that if you if

4234
02:45:09,160 --> 02:45:07,700
it's and I say the scientists are the

4235
02:45:10,841 --> 02:45:09,170
guys that are going to be the worst-hit

4236
02:45:12,100 --> 02:45:10,851
people say it's the religion guys I say

4237
02:45:13,930 --> 02:45:12,110
no it's the scientists when they

4238
02:45:15,820 --> 02:45:13,940
suddenly realize that's not it the you

4239
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:15,830
know it's not a nuts-and-bolts universe

4240
02:45:20,500 --> 02:45:19,010
it's very very weird universe and you

4241
02:45:23,230 --> 02:45:20,510
you're completely everything you learned

4242
02:45:24,370 --> 02:45:23,240
in science Sunday school is wrong we

4243
02:45:25,870 --> 02:45:24,380
should your whole life at this thing

4244
02:45:27,700 --> 02:45:25,880
it's time to take the cyanide pill

4245
02:45:29,560 --> 02:45:27,710
because everything you you believed was

4246
02:45:30,910 --> 02:45:29,570
wrong and and that's the guy so I think

4247
02:45:33,610 --> 02:45:30,920
they're gonna get there the guys that

4248
02:45:36,341 --> 02:45:33,620
are fighting back right so you have to

4249
02:45:38,950 --> 02:45:36,351
protect those guys in if you're the

4250
02:45:41,801 --> 02:45:38,960
government to give everybody an out so

4251
02:45:43,240 --> 02:45:41,811
they do these films where they sort of

4252
02:45:45,070 --> 02:45:43,250
put them out they pull them back and

4253
02:45:46,900 --> 02:45:45,080
it's it's the same story to bend it

4254
02:45:48,220 --> 02:45:46,910
right from the time of Kenneth Arnold

4255
02:45:53,470 --> 02:45:48,230
and they've done it over and over again

4256
02:45:54,730 --> 02:45:53,480
and go fast that's a very bad video it's

4257
02:45:56,650 --> 02:45:54,740
almost like a noir video it's like

4258
02:45:58,780 --> 02:45:56,660
zipping along the the OSHA side but

4259
02:46:00,131 --> 02:45:58,790
again I think it's a legitimate film but

4260
02:46:01,330 --> 02:46:00,141
it really doesn't show too much and

4261
02:46:03,011 --> 02:46:01,340
that's what they really want they just

4262
02:46:06,070 --> 02:46:03,021
want something that's kind of

4263
02:46:08,500 --> 02:46:06,080
interesting coming from the Pentagon and

4264
02:46:09,640 --> 02:46:08,510
if they wanted you know to confirm it at

4265
02:46:11,620 --> 02:46:09,650
the beginning they would have confirmed

4266
02:46:13,180 --> 02:46:11,630
it but they played that game they played

4267
02:46:15,460 --> 02:46:13,190
the game now we didn't release this

4268
02:46:17,620 --> 02:46:15,470
immediately cuz the guy that interviewed

4269
02:46:18,820 --> 02:46:17,630
Hillary Clinton when this thing happened

4270
02:46:20,110 --> 02:46:18,830
I went to him immediately because I knew

4271
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:20,120
him because I'd done the Hillary Clinton

4272
02:46:24,220 --> 02:46:22,610
book on Clintons in the UFOs and I went

4273
02:46:25,301 --> 02:46:24,230
to him immediately I said get in line

4274
02:46:26,500 --> 02:46:25,311
you're a reporter

4275
02:46:27,790 --> 02:46:26,510
get in line foul enough right

4276
02:46:29,410 --> 02:46:27,800
immediately on these films and stuff

4277
02:46:33,220 --> 02:46:29,420
like that and he got in line he still

4278
02:46:34,570 --> 02:46:33,230
hasn't got his f way back but they knew

4279
02:46:36,850 --> 02:46:34,580
everybody was going to come after it

4280
02:46:38,591 --> 02:46:36,860
they've delayed all this the stuff all

4281
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:38,601
the FO is they haven't responded to all

4282
02:46:43,390 --> 02:46:40,730
this stuff and they're playing this sort

4283
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:43,400
of game of gradual disclosure that's

4284
02:46:47,350 --> 02:46:45,050
what I I say it says drip drip

4285
02:46:48,910 --> 02:46:47,360
disclosure thing that they have been

4286
02:46:50,950 --> 02:46:48,920
working on and they're really good at it

4287
02:46:52,670 --> 02:46:50,960
now they've learned how to do it they've

4288
02:46:55,130 --> 02:46:52,680
learned how to

4289
02:46:57,200 --> 02:46:55,140
they've actually moved the whole thing

4290
02:47:01,340 --> 02:46:57,210
and it may be that disclosure has taken

4291
02:47:03,349 --> 02:47:01,350
place the disclosure is yes UFOs are

4292
02:47:05,210 --> 02:47:03,359
real we've got these films and what did

4293
02:47:07,099 --> 02:47:05,220
he do to trump the Navy goes in and

4294
02:47:08,780 --> 02:47:07,109
briefs Trump and they say look we've got

4295
02:47:10,490 --> 02:47:08,790
these films we don't know what these

4296
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:10,500
things are but they're not Russian

4297
02:47:15,410 --> 02:47:13,050
they're not Chinese and Trump who I've

4298
02:47:17,660 --> 02:47:15,420
known always would had no interest in

4299
02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:17,670
UFOs when Hillary was talking about UFOs

4300
02:47:21,260 --> 02:47:19,770
they asked the the reporter for New York

4301
02:47:22,880 --> 02:47:21,270
Times asked him he said oh I assume

4302
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:22,890
you're talking about outer space I'm not

4303
02:47:26,210 --> 02:47:24,479
interested I don't care what Hillary was

4304
02:47:28,460 --> 02:47:26,220
talking about and so he doesn't have and

4305
02:47:29,750 --> 02:47:28,470
so he sees the videos and it's plausible

4306
02:47:31,340 --> 02:47:29,760
deniability so he looks at the videos

4307
02:47:33,320 --> 02:47:31,350
he's those are really interesting videos

4308
02:47:34,969 --> 02:47:33,330
I don't believe it and he doesn't

4309
02:47:36,769 --> 02:47:34,979
believe it he doesn't really believe it

4310
02:47:39,170 --> 02:47:36,779
and it gives you that plausible that out

4311
02:47:40,700 --> 02:47:39,180
so it's it's evidence but it's not the

4312
02:47:42,559 --> 02:47:40,710
real evidence if they want the real

4313
02:47:44,660 --> 02:47:42,569
evidence they're gonna pull up this

4314
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:44,670
flying saucer they can have the cameras

4315
02:47:47,360 --> 02:47:46,170
they're gonna have the Balian bodies and

4316
02:47:49,280 --> 02:47:47,370
stop that's not what they're doing

4317
02:47:50,510 --> 02:47:49,290
they're doing this gradual thing show

4318
02:47:52,760 --> 02:47:50,520
them a video show them this video

4319
02:47:55,639 --> 02:47:52,770
almost like Bigelow sense yet

4320
02:47:58,849 --> 02:47:55,649
confirmation just confirm yes we have

4321
02:48:01,400 --> 02:47:58,859
videos yes they're real yes this is UFOs

4322
02:48:03,650 --> 02:48:01,410
or nothing it's alien it's unidentified

4323
02:48:05,150 --> 02:48:03,660
and then you make the next steps down

4324
02:48:07,880 --> 02:48:05,160
the road did you gradually move this

4325
02:48:09,800 --> 02:48:07,890
thing you can't throw it all out at the

4326
02:48:13,250 --> 02:48:09,810
same time yeah what I find interesting

4327
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:13,260
about the videos is if if we didn't have

4328
02:48:17,330 --> 02:48:15,210
David flavour if we didn't have all of

4329
02:48:19,849 --> 02:48:17,340
the eyewitness testimony to go along

4330
02:48:23,929 --> 02:48:19,859
with this or the powers of suggestion

4331
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:23,939
that these are UFOs if you just if you

4332
02:48:28,460 --> 02:48:26,250
know if anybody just sees these for what

4333
02:48:31,309 --> 02:48:28,470
they are without the backstory I don't

4334
02:48:34,040 --> 02:48:31,319
think anybody sees alien or et in them

4335
02:48:36,349 --> 02:48:34,050
it's the compelling eyewitness testimony

4336
02:48:38,330 --> 02:48:36,359
that goes along with it that supports

4337
02:48:41,689 --> 02:48:38,340
the videos he and you know what I'm

4338
02:48:43,309 --> 02:48:41,699
saying it is just an ordinary because

4339
02:48:45,080 --> 02:48:43,319
there's a lot of videos out there that

4340
02:48:47,120 --> 02:48:45,090
that are better than that but it always

4341
02:48:50,059 --> 02:48:47,130
has the same problem is this like a

4342
02:48:51,740 --> 02:48:50,069
video and that's why nimitz has been

4343
02:48:53,510 --> 02:48:51,750
such a big story because the Americans

4344
02:48:54,860 --> 02:48:53,520
have such a high impression of military

4345
02:48:56,780 --> 02:48:54,870
people and that's what Jacques Brel they

4346
02:48:59,120 --> 02:48:56,790
said it's a UFO sighting 15 years ago

4347
02:49:01,070 --> 02:48:59,130
let's get over it and it is it's just a

4348
02:49:02,990 --> 02:49:01,080
UFO sighting and it's just a film it's

4349
02:49:04,370 --> 02:49:03,000
not the end of the world film it's just

4350
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:04,380
kind of interesting where you've got

4351
02:49:07,590 --> 02:49:06,010
these guys but because everybody has

4352
02:49:09,179 --> 02:49:07,600
my impression of the military right

4353
02:49:11,969 --> 02:49:09,189
everything great same as the military

4354
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:11,979
when you had the the 1976 and those

4355
02:49:15,690 --> 02:49:13,930
documents were leaked to the the NORAD

4356
02:49:17,670 --> 02:49:15,700
documents mmm Bob pratt for national

4357
02:49:19,469 --> 02:49:17,680
choir when I was at that time the

4358
02:49:21,510 --> 02:49:19,479
documents were there inside when Travis

4359
02:49:23,370 --> 02:49:21,520
Walton is abducted in November just

4360
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:23,380
before and just after they have all the

4361
02:49:27,719 --> 02:49:24,970
incursions inside the nuclear weapons

4362
02:49:29,880 --> 02:49:27,729
storage areas at Loring wordsmith Minot

4363
02:49:31,830 --> 02:49:29,890
malt strim all along the Canadian border

4364
02:49:33,570 --> 02:49:31,840
they have all these things and one of

4365
02:49:34,860 --> 02:49:33,580
the UFOs do they go in there do they

4366
02:49:36,210 --> 02:49:34,870
turn the lights off no they turn the

4367
02:49:37,950 --> 02:49:36,220
lights on and they're right there and

4368
02:49:40,290 --> 02:49:37,960
people are looking in this like you're

4369
02:49:41,610 --> 02:49:40,300
sending a message and the government

4370
02:49:44,639 --> 02:49:41,620
leaked that stuff out to the guy that

4371
02:49:46,469 --> 02:49:44,649
the Iranian jet fighter story that major

4372
02:49:48,900 --> 02:49:46,479
one that was leaked and the guy who

4373
02:49:50,910 --> 02:49:48,910
leaked it that the guy who did the

4374
02:49:53,309 --> 02:49:50,920
report on the Iranian jet fighter story

4375
02:49:55,230 --> 02:49:53,319
was the guy who contacted Bill Moore he

4376
02:49:58,320 --> 02:49:55,240
was the second guy he was at Offutt Air

4377
02:49:59,460 --> 02:49:58,330
Force Base and he was dia and people

4378
02:50:01,110 --> 02:49:59,470
don't realize there's all these stories

4379
02:50:02,340 --> 02:50:01,120
behind stories when you say well where

4380
02:50:03,450 --> 02:50:02,350
do these documents come from and it was

4381
02:50:05,400 --> 02:50:03,460
or they just the government gave man

4382
02:50:07,230 --> 02:50:05,410
it's like no when you start looking it's

4383
02:50:09,120 --> 02:50:07,240
this gradual leak it's like move the

4384
02:50:11,219 --> 02:50:09,130
story and that's what the the the

4385
02:50:14,219 --> 02:50:11,229
intelligence agencies are supposed to do

4386
02:50:15,599 --> 02:50:14,229
is to manage the story just move it so

4387
02:50:17,610 --> 02:50:15,609
it doesn't blow up in your face

4388
02:50:19,500 --> 02:50:17,620
walk along somebody like you're begging

4389
02:50:21,269 --> 02:50:19,510
for money and just be nice with them and

4390
02:50:22,800 --> 02:50:21,279
move them in the direction you want to

4391
02:50:24,210 --> 02:50:22,810
go and that's what they're doing so this

4392
02:50:26,519 --> 02:50:24,220
is a gradual disclosure you know I think

4393
02:50:29,219 --> 02:50:26,529
you're going to see more videos you're

4394
02:50:30,540 --> 02:50:29,229
gonna see more stuff dropped because

4395
02:50:31,710 --> 02:50:30,550
that's what I heard I told you I had

4396
02:50:33,210 --> 02:50:31,720
this producer when they were trying to

4397
02:50:35,460 --> 02:50:33,220
get me to do this thing on the Avery

4398
02:50:37,740 --> 02:50:35,470
I've been contacted twice to do an

4399
02:50:39,179 --> 02:50:37,750
inside thing where I'm gonna be and they

4400
02:50:40,950 --> 02:50:39,189
said you'd be executive producer I said

4401
02:50:43,139 --> 02:50:40,960
I'm a researcher tell I care about an

4402
02:50:44,099 --> 02:50:43,149
executive producer I could care less it

4403
02:50:46,349 --> 02:50:44,109
means nothing to me

4404
02:50:47,880 --> 02:50:46,359
i I mean to figure out what this thing

4405
02:50:50,099 --> 02:50:47,890
is it's not because when I saw the UFO

4406
02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:50,109
and the second night I was looking at a

4407
02:50:53,820 --> 02:50:52,090
guy what's it doing that's like it's

4408
02:50:55,500 --> 02:50:53,830
just flying along and I'm going and I

4409
02:50:57,330 --> 02:50:55,510
knew it was for real and then all I was

4410
02:50:59,070 --> 02:50:57,340
interested in when nobody would publish

4411
02:51:00,599 --> 02:50:59,080
the manuscript when I told the story of

4412
02:51:02,309 --> 02:51:00,609
what happened in that small town the

4413
02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:02,319
publisher said I don't care I don't know

4414
02:51:06,330 --> 02:51:04,090
what and then I all wanted to know was

4415
02:51:07,740 --> 02:51:06,340
what's going on so that's my interest so

4416
02:51:09,540 --> 02:51:07,750
when they came to me but they the guy

4417
02:51:10,889 --> 02:51:09,550
told me that Pandolfi was in there and

4418
02:51:12,570 --> 02:51:10,899
semi van was in there and they're

4419
02:51:14,219 --> 02:51:12,580
promoting all sorts of projects they're

4420
02:51:16,200 --> 02:51:14,229
trying to get these projects to get this

4421
02:51:17,760 --> 02:51:16,210
story out indirectly plus you make a lot

4422
02:51:18,350 --> 02:51:17,770
of money that's why I think part of the

4423
02:51:20,780 --> 02:51:18,360
reason for

4424
02:51:22,820 --> 02:51:20,790
the long is the longest isn't not a

4425
02:51:24,501 --> 02:51:22,830
really smart UFO guy there isn't doesn't

4426
02:51:25,160 --> 02:51:24,511
know the intricate parts or he's not a

4427
02:51:27,921 --> 02:51:25,170
researcher

4428
02:51:29,720 --> 02:51:27,931
he's a PR guy that's why he liked what

4429
02:51:31,251 --> 02:51:29,730
he talked about Bob Lazar he said I have

4430
02:51:33,530 --> 02:51:31,261
the lifetime lifetime rights to Bob

4431
02:51:36,081 --> 02:51:33,540
Lazar story to him it's and and that was

4432
02:51:38,301 --> 02:51:36,091
the I knew the guy who was going to do

4433
02:51:39,620 --> 02:51:38,311
the app for to the stars they're gonna

4434
02:51:41,331 --> 02:51:39,630
do the app you know we have the cell

4435
02:51:43,100 --> 02:51:41,341
phone and you see a UFO and you put it

4436
02:51:44,240 --> 02:51:43,110
in there and and people said well he's

4437
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:44,250
gonna track to the government they're

4438
02:51:46,581 --> 02:51:45,210
gonna put it in the government the

4439
02:51:48,381 --> 02:51:46,591
government's gonna track it may be true

4440
02:51:49,940 --> 02:51:48,391
but I said to me when I heard that I go

4441
02:51:51,890 --> 02:51:49,950
oh that's what's on blowing is doing so

4442
02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:51,900
if Travis Walton somebody you have a

4443
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:53,610
Travis Walton abduction and that guy

4444
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:55,200
phones in the story - Travis Walton on

4445
02:51:58,490 --> 02:51:55,920
his cell phone

4446
02:52:00,770 --> 02:51:58,500
Travis Tom DeLonge now owns the story

4447
02:52:02,600 --> 02:52:00,780
he's gonna control all the big stories

4448
02:52:04,280 --> 02:52:02,610
that are coming in as they come in and

4449
02:52:07,070 --> 02:52:04,290
he's just he's that's what he said he

4450
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:07,080
even said the his biblical name his real

4451
02:52:10,341 --> 02:52:09,120
name is the truth teller like he sees

4452
02:52:11,780 --> 02:52:10,351
himself like he's the guy he's just

4453
02:52:13,220 --> 02:52:11,790
gonna put the stories out he's gonna

4454
02:52:14,690 --> 02:52:13,230
make money he's telling books he's

4455
02:52:16,640 --> 02:52:14,700
telling fictional stuff

4456
02:52:17,961 --> 02:52:16,650
he's the storyteller and these guys are

4457
02:52:19,280 --> 02:52:17,971
using him they're going through

4458
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:19,290
Hollywood that's what they said to Chris

4459
02:52:22,761 --> 02:52:21,210
Bledsoe because I knew what was going on

4460
02:52:24,440 --> 02:52:22,771
with Tom DeLonge I knew about Jim sent

4461
02:52:26,211 --> 02:52:24,450
me van and all these guys eight months

4462
02:52:27,410 --> 02:52:26,221
before they went public because I knew

4463
02:52:29,390 --> 02:52:27,420
Chris Bledsoe I was good friends with

4464
02:52:30,831 --> 02:52:29,400
Chris but so for many years and he was

4465
02:52:35,450 --> 02:52:30,841
sort of telling me a little bit what was

4466
02:52:40,430 --> 02:52:35,460
going on and so they they they had all

4467
02:52:42,711 --> 02:52:40,440
this stuff and they they put it out I

4468
02:52:44,660 --> 02:52:42,721
knew they were gonna put it out they did

4469
02:52:46,581 --> 02:52:44,670
exactly what they were going to do and I

4470
02:52:50,961 --> 02:52:46,591
was not really surprised by anything

4471
02:52:53,270 --> 02:52:50,971
they did and so that's basically the the

4472
02:52:54,980 --> 02:52:53,280
thing it's a it's a gradual disclosure

4473
02:52:56,511 --> 02:52:54,990
thing every is making money everybody's

4474
02:52:59,001 --> 02:52:56,521
doing their sort of thing and that's

4475
02:53:01,430 --> 02:52:59,011
what semi van when semi van had his

4476
02:53:02,780 --> 02:53:01,440
experience when he went to Pandolfi and

4477
02:53:04,700 --> 02:53:02,790
Pandolf he wouldn't tell me what was

4478
02:53:06,140 --> 02:53:04,710
going on when he got out he went to

4479
02:53:08,270 --> 02:53:06,150
Christmas I don't hear no the story went

4480
02:53:09,650 --> 02:53:08,280
to Chris Russell and he said I was not

4481
02:53:11,120 --> 02:53:09,660
allowed I knew about you I was not

4482
02:53:12,801 --> 02:53:11,130
allowed to talk to you until I retired

4483
02:53:14,360 --> 02:53:12,811
then he went to Chris bustles birthday

4484
02:53:17,091 --> 02:53:14,370
party became friends with Chris blessa

4485
02:53:19,220 --> 02:53:17,101
and he went to Tom DeLonge and he said

4486
02:53:20,751 --> 02:53:19,230
this is my friend Chris but so I want

4487
02:53:23,030 --> 02:53:20,761
you to take his story to Hollywood I

4488
02:53:24,620 --> 02:53:23,040
want you to make it happen that's where

4489
02:53:27,890 --> 02:53:24,630
Chris started to move into Hollywood and

4490
02:53:29,060 --> 02:53:27,900
then I he broke off from Tom dog but

4491
02:53:30,801 --> 02:53:29,070
that's the whole deal is they've got

4492
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:30,811
these stories they move them through

4493
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:32,399
dongdong makes money

4494
02:53:35,989 --> 02:53:34,560
these people make money everybody's got

4495
02:53:38,779 --> 02:53:35,999
their thing going and they're getting

4496
02:53:41,389 --> 02:53:38,789
the story out there still like CI nobody

4497
02:53:43,399 --> 02:53:41,399
ever leaves the CI even Jim seven still

4498
02:53:46,189 --> 02:53:43,409
under contract as far as I know with the

4499
02:53:47,989 --> 02:53:46,199
CIA they they they're doing this gradual

4500
02:53:49,279 --> 02:53:47,999
same as bill Moore when Bill Moore did

4501
02:53:52,939 --> 02:53:49,289
it they brought this guy he was the head

4502
02:53:54,439 --> 02:53:52,949
of covert ops for for Russia they

4503
02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:54,449
brought him out of retirement to run the

4504
02:53:58,010 --> 02:53:56,010
program so they know how it works

4505
02:54:00,050 --> 02:53:58,020
Bill Moore worked for the CIA no more

4506
02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:00,060
had done work for the CIA when he was at

4507
02:54:05,929 --> 02:54:03,930
university James Jimmy says san'dera who

4508
02:54:07,969 --> 02:54:05,939
got the mj-12 document had worked for

4509
02:54:09,469 --> 02:54:07,979
the CIA during the Vietnam War we mean

4510
02:54:11,569 --> 02:54:09,479
it's all these connections it's

4511
02:54:13,040 --> 02:54:11,579
indirectly guys you trust you move in

4512
02:54:14,899 --> 02:54:13,050
the stories and everybody thinks it's a

4513
02:54:16,130 --> 02:54:14,909
it's a UFO story whatever they don't

4514
02:54:18,529 --> 02:54:16,140
realize there's all these moving parts

4515
02:54:20,960 --> 02:54:18,539
in behind and this stuff isn't coming

4516
02:54:23,300 --> 02:54:20,970
out accidentally and that it's like a

4517
02:54:24,949 --> 02:54:23,310
big show and these guys know exactly

4518
02:54:26,540 --> 02:54:24,959
what they've been doing they've been

4519
02:54:27,679 --> 02:54:26,550
dropping this for years and I think

4520
02:54:30,529 --> 02:54:27,689
they're doing a really good job I think

4521
02:54:31,790 --> 02:54:30,539
they know what they're doing and they

4522
02:54:33,679 --> 02:54:31,800
have moved it you've gotten to the

4523
02:54:35,809 --> 02:54:33,689
situation where the US government has

4524
02:54:37,580 --> 02:54:35,819
admitted UFOs are real and we're

4525
02:54:38,870 --> 02:54:37,590
studying them I mean that you have to

4526
02:54:40,880 --> 02:54:38,880
give them credit for whatever you say

4527
02:54:43,010 --> 02:54:40,890
about them they moved that story and I

4528
02:54:44,599 --> 02:54:43,020
believe it was semi van and I believe it

4529
02:54:47,779 --> 02:54:44,609
was Mellon who moved that story through

4530
02:54:49,760 --> 02:54:47,789
the CIA that's what Jim part of semi

4531
02:54:52,069 --> 02:54:49,770
vans job was was this PR thing is an

4532
02:54:53,420 --> 02:54:52,079
English degree he's the guy that was

4533
02:54:55,399 --> 02:54:53,430
knows how to move in behind the scenes

4534
02:54:57,739 --> 02:54:55,409
with Voice of America and stuff like

4535
02:54:58,849 --> 02:54:57,749
that and make these deals and people

4536
02:55:00,979 --> 02:54:58,859
gotta realize there's all these things

4537
02:55:04,609 --> 02:55:00,989
going on behind the scenes in this story

4538
02:55:06,139 --> 02:55:04,619
now 2020 we've just got two minutes left

4539
02:55:09,760 --> 02:55:06,149
grant again thank you for the

4540
02:55:12,559 --> 02:55:09,770
conversation here we are we expected

4541
02:55:15,069 --> 02:55:12,569
other things to happen over the last two

4542
02:55:19,580 --> 02:55:15,079
and a half years going into three years

4543
02:55:23,000 --> 02:55:19,590
2020 as now has its own set of media

4544
02:55:25,729 --> 02:55:23,010
coverage that is its barring anything

4545
02:55:28,040 --> 02:55:25,739
out there it doesn't have to be UFOs it

4546
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:28,050
could be sports or music all stories are

4547
02:55:36,889 --> 02:55:33,359
buried these days is is the UFO subject

4548
02:55:39,439 --> 02:55:36,899
and disclosed you're part of this this

4549
02:55:42,019 --> 02:55:39,449
bearing of the news are we going to be

4550
02:55:42,700 --> 02:55:42,029
able to move things forward in 2020

4551
02:55:45,280 --> 02:55:42,710
or do we

4552
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:45,290
you have to wait once again for next

4553
02:55:51,070 --> 02:55:48,890
year to 2020 2021 well I think you're

4554
02:55:52,719 --> 02:55:51,080
gonna wait because my understanding is

4555
02:55:55,270 --> 02:55:52,729
that they're gonna use Hollywood this is

4556
02:55:57,160 --> 02:55:55,280
not going to be you know semi van

4557
02:55:59,710 --> 02:55:57,170
Kamehameha Stanley they're using this

4558
02:56:01,240 --> 02:55:59,720
fictional version and Hollywood has shut

4559
02:56:04,810 --> 02:56:01,250
down I mean so they're not really doing

4560
02:56:06,700 --> 02:56:04,820
anything now and so like all the series

4561
02:56:08,530 --> 02:56:06,710
and stuff like that I think there's a

4562
02:56:10,390 --> 02:56:08,540
delay same as I remember when Tom

4563
02:56:12,040 --> 02:56:10,400
DeLonge when because I knew they were

4564
02:56:13,690 --> 02:56:12,050
gonna drop this thing and then Tom

4565
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:13,700
DeLonge even two days before they

4566
02:56:18,490 --> 02:56:15,200
dropped the New York Times saying he

4567
02:56:21,910 --> 02:56:18,500
said he put a Facebook or an Instagram

4568
02:56:23,620 --> 02:56:21,920
post he said oh another delay and even

4569
02:56:25,060 --> 02:56:23,630
it sounded like Tom DeLonge didn't

4570
02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:25,070
believe it was going to draw so he

4571
02:56:28,420 --> 02:56:26,570
really doesn't have control over it but

4572
02:56:31,390 --> 02:56:28,430
it's this Hollywood thing and the guy

4573
02:56:32,800 --> 02:56:31,400
told me you know they wanted Pandolfi

4574
02:56:35,740 --> 02:56:32,810
they didn't want to do this the the

4575
02:56:37,060 --> 02:56:35,750
firmage thing he said I told Pandolfi we

4576
02:56:38,590 --> 02:56:37,070
want you to go on camera and tell us

4577
02:56:39,969 --> 02:56:38,600
what's going on they're not interested

4578
02:56:41,080 --> 02:56:39,979
in Joe for image or anything so but I

4579
02:56:42,160 --> 02:56:41,090
know they're in behind the scenes

4580
02:56:43,360 --> 02:56:42,170
they're trying to move this thing and

4581
02:56:45,280 --> 02:56:43,370
you see all these series I mean how many

4582
02:56:47,320 --> 02:56:45,290
there used to be like one UFO show a

4583
02:56:47,860 --> 02:56:47,330
year now it's like everyday there's a

4584
02:56:49,480 --> 02:56:47,870
UFO

4585
02:56:52,180 --> 02:56:49,490
there's piles of stuff they're moving

4586
02:56:53,230 --> 02:56:52,190
this this this story along and I think

4587
02:56:55,390 --> 02:56:53,240
they're doing a pretty good job at it

4588
02:56:58,840 --> 02:56:55,400
now where can everybody go and get the

4589
02:57:00,730 --> 02:56:58,850
new book right now Amazon I guess this

4590
02:57:02,650 --> 02:57:00,740
is where you'd go and I've got a link on

4591
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:02,660
my facebook grant Cameron Facebook site

4592
02:57:07,300 --> 02:57:05,120
where you can read the first couple of

4593
02:57:09,370 --> 02:57:07,310
chapters where I explain contact

4594
02:57:11,320 --> 02:57:09,380
modalities what I believe is going on in

4595
02:57:13,990 --> 02:57:11,330
terms of how these contact won't always

4596
02:57:16,300 --> 02:57:14,000
work so there's a probably 50 pages of

4597
02:57:19,210 --> 02:57:16,310
material they can read that explains it

4598
02:57:21,430 --> 02:57:19,220
we'll get all of that up in Twitter and

4599
02:57:24,250 --> 02:57:21,440
social media for you Grant once again

4600
02:57:26,350 --> 02:57:24,260
great conversation my friend and I can't

4601
02:57:27,880 --> 02:57:26,360
wait till November we'll break some

4602
02:57:31,060 --> 02:57:27,890
bread we're gonna go do some sky

4603
02:57:35,260 --> 02:57:31,070
watching with pastrami sandwiches thank

4604
02:57:38,200 --> 02:57:35,270
you so much grant Cameron grant be safe

4605
02:57:40,719 --> 02:57:38,210
up there okay on earth thank you you got

4606
02:57:43,480 --> 02:57:40,729
a grant Cameron just went pole to pole I

4607
02:57:45,550 --> 02:57:43,490
got to go straight to credits here what

4608
02:57:48,250 --> 02:57:45,560
a great conversation and I do want to

4609
02:57:51,260 --> 02:57:48,260
remind everybody that tomorrow night is

4610
02:57:53,420 --> 02:57:51,270
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4628
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:32,390
want everybody to be safe

4629
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go back Lee tappy